White Mage Overflow

[kidalutz]

I don't quite feel like quoting and dealing with the annoying character limit so I'll just respond in sequence.

1. White mage has always been the best at dungeons. It just has never been this far ahead. It's not really that white mage got buffed in this area, is that's the other two healers got substantially worse. Scholar lost bane and shadowflare. Ast gravity got a huge nerf, losing 70 potency while also losing their stun on celestial opposition. Meanwhile white mage did get a pretty sizeable holy nerf, but they got to keep assize which is as strong as ever and they got afflatus misery. On top of that, white mages pretty much have infinite mp in dungeons, though this point is less significant because of the mp reductions on gravity and art of war.

2. I never said white mage was fine these past 4 years. What I will say though, is that white mage is far more overpowered right now than sch and ast ever were.

3. Crit adlo does not even come close to shielding a tank for half their hp. You also can't spread the entire shield. It's not as good as you're making it out to be. It's strong yeah, but it's not ridiculous. It would be incredibly overpowered if you could deploy the entire shield.

4. Raid buffs and fflogs is a valid point. I've said many times in other threads that SE's approach to balancing is doomed to fail every time. White mages needs their own utility.

5. 100% agree that sch should not get buffs. Sch needs some QoL changes, that's it. I want energy drain back. If they nerfed broil to compensate for that and sch did overall less damage, I'd be happy with that because the class would feel better to play. Ast does need buffs; there is no disputing that.

Just gonna point out that the energy drain you want back is NOT the energy drain offered in Shadowbringers

[Lagomorph]

Just gonna point out that the energy drain you want back is NOT the energy drain offered in Shadowbringers

I'm quite aware of what energy drain is this expansion. It doesn't have to function the same way as the summoner energy drain does or it can just be given a new name/animation.

[glamazon]

Destroying choice hurts the game. Two distinct fairies is better than two fairies who do the same thing. What’s the point of that?

[glamazon]

2015 was the last healer job? Why are there only three healers?
Whm direct heals big heals
Sch shields + dmg
Astro heal over time + buffs
Mystic or Druid mix of regen and shields + crowd control = sleeps roots stuns

[Hezzlocks]

Can I just point out how funny it is that the early prediction for ShB healers after the jobs showcases were that WHM was still going to be terrible compared to the sheer utility of SCH and AST?

[MrSmiley]

Can I just point out how funny it is that the early prediction for ShB healers after the jobs showcases were that WHM was still going to be terrible compared to the sheer utility of SCH and AST?

And now instead of getting themselves fixed, they want us nerfed so we can be shitty do-nothing healers again. I see tanks proposing buffs for the other weaker tanks and discussing how to keep them balanced, all I see here is "WTF why is WHM good!? nerf them so we can go back to sch ast only!!"

[Hatstand]

And now instead of getting themselves fixed, they want us nerfed so we can be shitty do-nothing healers again. I see tanks proposing buffs for the other weaker tanks and discussing how to keep them balanced, all I see here is "WTF why is WHM good!? nerf them so we can go back to sch ast only!!"

What have you been reading? Way more people are advocating fixing SCH and AST than are suggesting nerfing WHM.

[LunaP]

What have you been reading? Way more people are advocating fixing SCH and AST than are suggesting nerfing WHM.

My guess would be the OP's opening statement, albeit it a bit over exaggerated, they're free to comment back at the person pointing out the obvious humor in the matter. WHM def got the shaft in SB, its nice to see the changes this time around is all. Doesn't make them wrong for it. What you're pointing out is also true.

[Hatstand]

My guess would be the OP's opening statement, albeit it a bit over exaggerated, they're free to comment back at the person pointing out the obvious humor in the matter. WHM def got the shaft in SB, its nice to see the changes this time around is all. Doesn't make them wrong for it. What you're pointing out is also true.

Even the OP just stated that WHM was OP compared to AST and SCH. It didn’t actually say WHM needed a nerf as opposed to making sure AST and SCH could keep up. Same with the thread about WHM damage needing to stay high - I didn’t see many serious suggestions that it should be nerfed before that. My guess is that WHM mains have been stung by past expansions and are getting paranoid and defensive - and rightly so. I think it’s a pity that it seems to be creating an oppositional mindset, though. We should all be advocating for the same things: all healing jobs should be fun, all healing jobs should be (approximately) equal in their capacity to heal through content and in their group contribution, and all healing jobs should be different, so that they can appeal to what different people are looking for in a healer.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I do want to say that you shouldn't feel bad that WHM is seeing a surge in popularity. It's been awful to play and comparatively weak to SCH and AST for 4 whole years. They finally have some interesting mechanics and finally FEEL good to play. It'll probably only be like this for about another week when they inevitably superbuff AST, but hopefully they can hit a spot where all the healers feel strong and comfortable.