New Mog Station items?

[Rakshazi]

My point is that a cash shop is a cash shop. Once upon a time Mogstation only sold old event items and Odin. Then came exclusive outfits. Then came music rolls, mounts, level boosts, retainer level boosts, extra chocobo saddle bag space, etc. Baby steps -> accepted "norm"

I buy stuff from the cash shop when I like something released, but imo its Kinda Weird to hope something comes with an extra fee attached.

I doubt there EVER be something that we could call the P2W items in the shop for one SOLID reason: EA and SE are 2 absolutely different companies from different backgrounds and countryes. And Japan, by far, have some good laws (as far as I know) agains P2W content. Ther may be one day when we will see some gacha-mounts or something like that, but for now - IT'S AN OK SHOP FOR A GREAT GAME AND COMPANY, STOP COMPLAYNING.

[Duskane]

True but we both know that there will be many people who will defend the Mogstation even with top tier raid gear for sale.

You probably won't be Even able to Read post like that to flood of pissed off raiders if they started selling replica ultimate weapons on mogstation or top tier raid stuff

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I remember hearing all these excuses for EA and Battlefront. It's always the consumer's problem for some reason.
If they introduce P2W raid gear, it'll be the same excuses: OPTIONAL, you don't want - you don't buy. SE not a charity. ect ect. And with all this shilling by the masses, of course they are going to introduce P2W gear to the Mogstation because SE isn't charity.

/facepalm

I swear to God some people just type a stream of consciousness.

[Theodric]

Times have changed. It isn't unusual at all for businesses to provide optional products in addition to the base product that they're offering. Quite a lot of people are perfectly fine with optional items being sold. At this point, it appears to just be a very vocal minority who are opposed to such things. Many of whom appear unwilling to do anything beyond blame consumers and developers instead of putting their money where their mouths are and walking away completely from the business practices they find so supposedly abhorrent in the first place.

In addition, let's not pretend as if the cost for game development has not increased over time even though the monthly subscription fee has remained roughly the same price.

[Edax]

Many of whom appear unwilling to do anything beyond blame consumers and developers instead of putting their money where their mouths are and walking away completely from the business practices they find so supposedly abhorrent in the first place.

I wish I could walk away from such business practices, but they are everywhere in the video game industry now. I have walked away from a lot of franchises that became P2W like Halo, which was a bitter pill to swallow. If you asked me 10 years ago if Halo multiplayer would become P2W and I would have laughed myself silly, but I know better now. With the addition of P2W loot boxes everywhere like in Battlefront, CoD and Battlefield, I've effectively stopped playing competitive multiplayer completely. Now I don't want to walk away from FFXIV too. Thankfully they aren't P2W yet.

[SturmChurro]

Times have changed. It isn't unusual at all for businesses to provide optional products in addition to the base product that they're offering. Quite a lot of people are perfectly fine with optional items being sold. At this point, it appears to just be a very vocal minority who are opposed to such things. Many of whom appear unwilling to do anything beyond blame consumers and developers instead of putting their money where their mouths are and walking away completely from the business practices they find so supposedly abhorrent in the first place.

In addition, let's not pretend as if the cost for game development has not increased over time even though the monthly subscription fee has remained roughly the same price.

Microtransactions are out of control specifically in the mobile space, where they literally use psychology to nickle and dime players. However, without the addition of microtransactions, we would likely see a price increase for games, and less investment overall. However, you can always say that the increased investment just means more money making schemes; games designed around the cash shop. Take for example the GTA Online casino that has recently been implemented. Players can apparently pay real money to gamble, with no real return. It has been banned in several countries.

The mogstation on the other hand is relatively benign, and doesn't even seem to be that heavily focused by SE, new, interesting items are very sparse. The fact that SE apparently returns the money made from the mogstation directly into the game is a very nice thing (should be expected). It doesn't matter how many people allegedly "boycott" cash shops or games in their entirety, publishers have shown to directly target children, and the select few "whales", and there are conferences where they admit as such (they won't admit to targeting children, but you know they do). The only way real change will happen in this space is probably, unfortunately, with government intervention, and that comes with it's own share of troubles. Maybe even worse overall.

[Kaethra]

Times have changed. It isn't unusual at all for businesses to provide optional products in addition to the base product that they're offering. Quite a lot of people are perfectly fine with optional items being sold. At this point, it appears to just be a very vocal minority who are opposed to such things. Many of whom appear unwilling to do anything beyond blame consumers and developers instead of putting their money where their mouths are and walking away completely from the business practices they find so supposedly abhorrent in the first place.

In addition, let's not pretend as if the cost for game development has not increased over time even though the monthly subscription fee has remained roughly the same price.

I pointed this out earlier. I said that our monthly sub gets us ton of ingame obtainable outfits and armors. For only $12.99 a month for the basic sub (what I used to pay for EQ when I played in 2001), or $14.99 a month for regular access. And I mentioned that some of us pay that much for a single mount or outfit, and know people who would spend hundreds of dollars in cosmetics. And explained that for every outfit they make purchaseable, they get dozens that are available normally in game.

Their reaction is to compare Mogstation to Assassins and Human Trafficking.

Literally that's the opposition. It should NOT be taken seriously, it should not even be debated. They are trolls or someone who is severally emotionally out of wack in this discussion.

At the end of the day, the discussion is mostly irrelevant. My wallet speaks far louder than these futiles cries of using mogstation as evil.

[Edax]

Its their God given right to use their money how they wish. No one has any right to tell them they are wrong. Period.

Their reaction is to compare Mogstation to Assassins and Human Trafficking.

Literally that's the opposition.

Nice strawman. You claim it's God's given right to use your own money how you wish, but of course you only meant the Mogstation.
Using your own money how you wish might actually be unethical. Imagine that.

[BlitzAceRush]

Nice strawman. You claim it's God's given right to use your own money how you wish, but of course you only meant the Mogstation.
Using your own money how you wish might actually be unethical depending on what you buy.

Unless they implied or have said at any point that breaking the law is OK their statement is true, it is anyone's "God" given right to spend their money however they wish, if it can legally be bought they are free to buy it. You're the only one who's tried really, really hard to twist that statement to mean they somehow support hired hitmen and human trafficking.
This is a video game, no lives are on the line, no one is being hurt if people want to spend money on virtual items then they can and it is in no way wrong EA pushed that far past its breaking point and eventually the gaming community pushed back, but this has nothing to do with the Mog station, it sells very little and nothing I could consider offensive.

[Edax]

This is a video game, no lives are on the line, no one is being hurt if people want to spend money on virtual items

This is simply false. There's a reason the video game industry is under international investigation over gambling. Lives are being destroyed because of those that enable the predatory system. Baby steps, it gets worse with time. Like the boiling frog fable. How people spend their money will affect the future. Legal ≠ Ethical

My point is that a cash shop is a cash shop. Once upon a time Mogstation only sold old event items and Odin. Then came exclusive outfits. Then came music rolls, mounts, level boosts, retainer level boosts, extra chocobo saddle bag space, etc. Baby steps -> accepted "norm"

I buy stuff from the cash shop when I like something released, but imo its Kinda Weird to hope something comes with an extra fee attached.