SCH and Living Dead

[Alphras]

Anyone got tips on how to handle Living Dead as a SCH with the increased HP pools? Especially when a DRK does a big pull and decides LD is a valid first CD for that.

[Ghishlain]

Recitation + Emergency Tactics + Adlo + 4x Lustrate (Use Dissipation to get the fourth stack if AF is on CD) Alternatively you can use 2x Physick to replace a Lustrate, just Physick + Lustrate to avoid clipping issues since time is of the essence.

Yeah, it's that crazy for SCH ATM.

[Alphras]

Recitation + Emergency Tactics + Adlo + 4x Lustrate (Use Dissipation to get the fourth stack if AF is on CD) Alternatively you can use 2x Physick to replace a Lustrate, just Physick + Lustrate to avoid clipping issues since time is of the essence.

Yeah, it's that crazy for SCH ATM.

It's not even a cooldown at this point. With that amount of ressources you can just heal through the pull.

[Sylve]

Recitation + Emergency Tactics + Adlo + 4x Lustrate (Use Dissipation to get the fourth stack if AF is on CD) Alternatively you can use 2x Physick to replace a Lustrate, just Physick + Lustrate to avoid clipping issues since time is of the essence.

Yeah, it's that crazy for SCH ATM.

Assuming Excog isn't on cooldown during Walking Dead, you're better off doing Excog first and then a Recitation+ET+Adloq.
The 1 hp state the Walking Dead triggers at instantly pops the Excog with the Adloq combo landing immediately after, near instant 80k~ health restored, and then a Lustrate and normal Adloq (Since Fairy will be Embracing as well) should be enough to clear it.

AFAIK, it doesn't have to put the tank to 100% HP, just that whatever 100% of their max HP happens to be is the total amount that needs to be restored within 10 seconds. Fully geared, should be 120k hp restored in total within 10 seconds.

Yeah, I will say this is something SE has not addressed at all. LD is a death sentence if you aren’t prepared, you can’t just add 50k to a tank HP pool and keep LD as is.

Same can be said for Holmgang. Failure to heal fast enough after triggering the 1hp safety threshold results in a dead Warrior.
Ironically, Living Dead is arguably easier to prepare a response to than Holmgang. I might be alone in this but since I have the Tank as my target nearly always, I can see the Living Dead icon when it pops up and when it flips into Walking Dead.

[Ghishlain]

It's not even a cooldown at this point. With that amount of ressources you can just heal through the pull.

Pretty much. Living Dead is just not something use outside of 8-mans where both healers can apply direct healing or you have a WHM. With that being said, I think Living Dead is the only invuln of the four tanks that can take four hits from Titania EX lightning tether and laugh at it, though I think your WHM may have a panic attack trying to time that Bene between fourth hit and Walking Dead falling off. (I haven't tested this out, so take my comment about LD + TitaniaEX with a grain of salt)

Assuming Excog isn't on cooldown during Walking Dead, you're better off doing Excog first and then a Recitation+ET+Adloq.
The 1 hp state the Walking Dead triggers at instantly pops the Excog with the Adloq combo landing immediately after, near instant 80k~ health restored, and then a Lustrate and normal Adloq (Since Fairy will be Embracing as well) should be enough to clear it.

AFAIK, it doesn't have to put the tank to 100% HP, just that whatever 100% of their max HP happens to be is the total amount that needs to be restored within 10 seconds. Fully geared, should be 120k hp restored in total within 10 seconds.

Yeah, that's assuming you having Excog up when Walking Dead is triggered. I'm going under the assumption that you don't have Excog - and to be frank if you're being a good SCH chances of you shouldn't even having Recitation up for Adlo when Walking Dead is triggered because you should be using Recitation pre-pull with Excog or Adlo. If the pull has gone that far south I don't know if there's anything the SCH can do outside of Physicks + Lustrate spam after popping Dissipation (assuming you even have that up). Even 3x Physick + 3x Lustrate isn't enough to bring a tank up to the necessary 100% HP threshold though so it's gonna be a tight crunch at that point. Pray you had one AF leftover before Walking Dead is triggered for that fourth lustrate to keep the tank going.

Living Dead just isn't a cooldown I want to see a DRK use during pulls in a dungeon if I'm not a WHM. I'd rather see Superbolide or Hallowed versus Living Dear or Holmgang.

Ah well, 'tis the nature of the beast.

[Alphras]

Same can be said for Holmgang. Failure to heal fast enough after triggering the 1hp safety threshold results in a dead Warrior.
Ironically, Living Dead is arguably easier to prepare a response to than Holmgang. I might be alone in this but since I have the Tank as my target nearly always, I can see the Living Dead icon when it pops up and when it flips into Walking Dead.

Holmgang is fine as an emergency cooldown and I never saw a WAR using it as a planned CD for big pulls (contrary to DRKs with Living Dead). It makes a huge difference if I just need to keep the tank alive or have to heal 120k+ in 10 seconds.

[EaMett]

Same can be said for Holmgang. Failure to heal fast enough after triggering the 1hp safety threshold results in a dead Warrior.
Ironically, Living Dead is arguably easier to prepare a response to than Holmgang. I might be alone in this but since I have the Tank as my target nearly always, I can see the Living Dead icon when it pops up and when it flips into Walking Dead.

You have no obligation to bring the warrior back up to full though, just give him enough padding, which can usually be accomplished with a couple of skills (and never mind having all the time in the world to do so). The same can't be said with LD.

Also, there's the case of using it against multiple busters, like titania fae light or tethers where you can't actually heal the DRK right away. It's always a tight fit (even if you do some of the healing upfront) and it'll require a lot of resources. Often times just sharing + cooldown is less of pain to handle as a healer. Kind of sad really seeing as none of the other invulns suffer from this.

[OmegaSinX]

Recitation + Emergency Tactics + Adlo + 4x Lustrate (Use Dissipation to get the fourth stack if AF is on CD) Alternatively you can use 2x Physick to replace a Lustrate, just Physick + Lustrate to avoid clipping issues since time is of the essence.

Yeah, it's that crazy for SCH ATM.

This just highlights how stupid living dead is. We shouldn't have to waste so many resources to save a tank. If LD didn't have the heal to full mechanic, Excog or Recititaion Excog would be enough.

[Rakshazi]

Recitation + Emergency Tactics + Adlo + 4x Lustrate (Use Dissipation to get the fourth stack if AF is on CD) Alternatively you can use 2x Physick to replace a Lustrate, just Physick + Lustrate to avoid clipping issues since time is of the essence.

Yeah, it's that crazy for SCH ATM.

On behalf of all tank mains and DRK players especialy - I am sorry.

[Hammerhorn]

Lmao WHM just says Bennnyyyyyy!