It is time to get rid of them SE...

[Gallus]

Agree with the TC, just get rid of the flying potato looking egis and give us a rotation where we alternate the two current Demis.

It'd be all about providing the demis with more skills, Bahamut could use earthshaker and tempest wing on top of the regular wyrmwaves and akh morns. Phoenix could use the already fountain of fire + brand of purgatory combo, the two revelations and a new skill called flames of unforgiveness.

Get rid of energy drain and give us aetherflow back while we are at it, nobody likes being stuck with such relevant CD during downtimes and boss transitions.

[Taranok]

Now that egis can't die, there's no reason for them to exist as a separate entity. For anyone who sees them as little more than an extra DoT, you are now seeing what the purpose of micro-management of the egis prior to 5.0 was, to keep your "extra DoT" alive so that you were earning all of that damage from your pet.

Without the threat of death on an Egi, there is no need to even recognize they exist outside of their placement for Devotion or if you're optimizing, having them start close to a target to begin attacking faster. Is it any wonder they feel like dead weight?

Yes, but micromanaging the pet to keep it alive and optimal was terrible gameplay because the game itself lacked fundamental, necessary tools towards "effortlessly" keeping the pets alive. From the Ground Targeted AoE marker being poorly designed and unresponsive to the pet itself being unresponsive. The current iteration is terrible because they don't really do anything except a 40 potency GCD with 2 50 potency attacks every 30 seconds. If they kept something like Contagion or Radiant Shield on the pets but tied to EA, then they would be a delayed activation but still an improvement over 4.0 and prior.

The issue is that unless 100% of every action (or some arbitrary number constituting "a lot," of actions) goes directly through the pet, such as a Dark Age of Camelot Necromancer where the entire class runs through the pet, then it will never quite feel like a pet class.

Most pet classes in games aren't pet classes. They're just classes that have semi-unique DoT robots tacked on that are expendable by nature. FFXIV's tight PvE design and difficult UI means having an expendable pet or a pet with critical components on it is not conducive to good gameplay, whereas in a game like GW2 or DAoC, killing the pet is a valid option to remove it and it's expected in that style of game for pets to die and be swapped out. And obviously with Necromancer, you basically played your class through your pet, so it was a bit mushroom in that regard but represents one of the better-executed pet class concepts I've seen in a game.

[DJMau]

Snip.

It took 4 pages for someone to say something useful to the topic at hand.

[RadicalPesto]

At this point it feels to me like Egis should just be the lower level version of Demi Primals, to act as temporary summons with similar function to Phoenix and Bahamut but much weaker, and then be replaced completely as you get closer to level cap. Kinda how nowadays Rook Autoturret only exists to be the low level version of Automaton Queen. That would also keep Egis as an existing part of the lore, while removing them from high end play, kinda like WHM's wind and earth spells now.

[Taranok]

The only point of contention that I have, Radical, is that as a summoner, there's reason to keep the old pets around, kind of. SMN can have the unique ability to randomly summon pets with older or lower level abilities, or newer abilities that just summon outdated pets to keep them relevant.

But it's a frequent suggestion of mine to just give Arcanist the first trances to summon the carbuncles, and then just upgrade it into demi-ifrit/titan/garuda, and eventually Bahamut/Phoenix. Unfortunately that's going to be a major overhaul of the class, instead of a minor one, so it's unlikely to happen until the next expansion.

[Yandere-chan]

I would like it if egis were dropped and we just had a bunch of different demi-summons instead personally.

That said, I don't like it that our DPS went down relative to us getting busier. That seems backwards. If a class gets busier, it should result in them having better DPS as it then takes more skill, practice, and focus to be optimal. Increasing the effort required while simultaneously lowering relative DPS to others is very discouraging.

[Nineball]

I had to cancel my sub. I just came back for the release of shadow bringers and had been gone since the launch of HW. I'm a solo player and when i picked up the game at launch i was told to go smn because it was THE definitive solo player class. You could do decent dmg, have a pet tank for you, and you could heal yourself and your pet. This is no longer the case now. pets are just glorified dots with an avatar associated with them.

I heavily relied on Titan being my tank as i dont have a FC, nor groups of people to play with to tank for me. The class is completely different compared to what im used to. I have to constantly run around or have to face tank the dmg and watch my HP melt away. SMN is a just weak variant of BLM that has the ability to raise. What is the point of SMN existing now? Its one heal is trash unless you spam it while you let your pet eheemm "dot" slowly whittle away the mobs HP, it can no longer have its pets tank, it cant take dmg, and its dps is out classed by other classes. IMHO this change has dramatically increased the level of difficultly of the class. I really enjoyed how laid back/casual the game could be thanks to the SMN class. Its just not that anymore in this new expansion and i guess ffxiv its just not for me anymore.

I've had more fun running around gathering, crafting, and doing the sight seeing then actually playing the main content since i've come back. . Hopefully SE with realize this was a colossal failure on their part and revert the pet changes.

back to some other game then.

have fun yall

[Daralii]

I had to cancel my sub. I just came back for the release of shadow bringers and had been gone since the launch of HW. I'm a solo player and when i picked up the game at launch i was told to go smn because it was THE definitive solo player class. You could do decent dmg, have a pet tank for you, and you could heal yourself and your pet. This is no longer the case now. pets are just glorified dots with an avatar associated with them.

I heavily relied on Titan being my tank as i dont have a FC, nor groups of people to play with to tank for me. The class is completely different compared to what im used to. I have to constantly run around or have to face tank the dmg and watch my HP melt away. SMN is a just weak variant of BLM that has the ability to raise. What is the point of SMN existing now? Its one heal is trash unless you spam it while you let your pet eheemm "dot" slowly whittle away the mobs HP, it can no longer have its pets tank, it cant take dmg, and its dps is out classed by other classes. IMHO this change has dramatically increased the level of difficultly of the class. I really enjoyed how laid back/casual the game could be thanks to the SMN class. Its just not that anymore in this new expansion and i guess ffxiv its just not for me anymore.

I've had more fun running around gathering, crafting, and doing the sight seeing then actually playing the main content since i've come back. . Hopefully SE with realize this was a colossal failure on their part and revert the pet changes.

back to some other game then.

have fun yall

I really can't imagine how you were playing if Titan was still an effective tank at 70.

[Hysterior]

I had to cancel my sub

Can't you use your Chocobo companion as a tank? Do you even need a tank? Wait no... just... yeah... bye, have fun

[Montt]

One of the problems of 4.x on using titan on solo content was bahamut, where your "tank is gone.

I don't want to be that kinda of player, but if you need a tank pet on solo content you need to review how do you play, checkyour gear, rotation and materia, because you kill things faster than they kill you without a problem.