It is time to get rid of them SE...

[Dyvid]

What are you rambling about I never said to turn SMN into a generic job or whatever. All I'm doing is banging my head onto the wall right now trying to understand why you want to go around with this:

Titan Egi

when they could focus on these:

Demi-Phoenix / Demi-Bahamut

So basically form over function? Well SE did exactly as you asked and focused on Demis and how well is the job playing right now? Egis aren't in charge of controlling the rotational flow of combat; the is Demi design. The only aspect of Egis right now is dps, proc ruin IV and devotion. Where as Demi's Trance are the backbone of SMN rotation and the guide to line everything else upon. So yea, at this point I think SE needs to focus on function over form.

Oh and if anyone thinks I don't care about Egi's current state, feel free to head over to the Live Letter Q&A: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5098801

[Gallus]

So basically form over function? Well SE did exactly as you asked and focused on Demis and how well is the job playing right now?

People asked for cooler summons, not for 18 50 potency OGCDs.

[Dyvid]

People asked for cooler summons, not for 18 50 potency OGCDs.

And SE gave us Demi-Phoenix coupled with a new Trance.

[Gallus]

And SE gave us Demi-Phoenix coupled with a new Trance.

Along with a massive bloat of OGCDs, half of them being locked when You have Demis out. Nobody asked for this. Which is why I'm saying remove the silly egis and the assaults, they are ugly and inconvenient.

1 - We can't cast devotion, egi assaults or enkindle when we have demis out. Terrible.
2 - The Egis stick to attacking whatever they attack at that moment, switching targets is awful, especially with Ifrit Egi switching targets on mobs that are far from each other.
3 - They are ugly as hell.

Why do you insist on wanting to keep something that is inconvenient gameplay wise and looks terrible asthetically (okay, subjective I guess...lol)?

[dinnertime]

Along with a massive bloat of OGCDs, half of them being locked when You have Demis out. Nobody asked for this. Which is why I'm saying remove the silly egis and the assaults, they are ugly and inconvenient.

1 - We can't cast devotion, egi assaults or enkindle when we have demis out. Terrible.
2 - The Egis stick to attacking whatever they attack at that moment, switching targets is awful, especially with Ifrit Egi switching targets on mobs that are far from each other.
3 - They are ugly as hell.

Why do you insist on wanting to keep something that is inconvenient gameplay wise and looks terrible asthetically (okay, subjective I guess...lol)?

This, also right now all they do is provide you with Ruin IV. What else is there to them? Nothing. The pet management involved is unnecessary busywork for wet noodle damage, and it's not like before where it's ideal to time out the buffs they give. They're so detached from everything else about SMN's main toolkit that there needs to be a change.

They can be reworked into working like Demi's but without the need for Trance (so they can be used during DB/DP downtime), have them stay in place, maybe add more to them if needed and I'm happy.