It is time to get rid of them SE...

[dinnertime]

Honestly, I've been on the boards a long time and it's the same song and dance with a new twist; damage is underwhelming. Even if/when the adjust the damage the end of the day people are going to still say remove Egis. The heart of the issue isn't how they perform, the damage they do, the utility they have, or if they are even a buggy mess. It's appearance, it's always been about appearance. This has been the number one issue people on the boards have had since 2013.

I have to agree lol. That actually slipped my mind.
I mean, I think their underwhelming appearance is a problem too but I'd never go as far to remove them because of it, but...they're still struggling with Egi's in general that I just think there's good enough reasons for the devs to reconsider them now.

You are never going to get people to reach a consensus on this because everyone's been arguing for 6 years what the core of SMN should be. Some people want it to be a pure DoT job, some people want it to focus on micromanaging egis, some people want to move away from both of those and focus almost exclusively what FF's summoners have traditionally been and, namely a wide array of (demi-)primals, and every possible point in between.

Yeah, this is the biggest issue about SMN. It's as chaotic as the playerbase's opinions. The devs said they put more emphasis on summons this time but the reality is that the divide in SMN's gimmicks became a lot worse, but that's a topic for another thread.

[Dyvid]

I have to agree lol. That actually slipped my mind.
I mean, I think their underwhelming appearance is a problem too but I'd never go as far to remove them because of it, but...they're still struggling with Egi's in general that I just think there's good enough reasons for the devs to reconsider them now.

Well that is my stance on the debate. Let's fix the problems; have pet potency scale off of whatever our spells do, adjust EAI EAII and Enkindle to make it feel impactful to the job, and add new egi glamours that people would enjoy. Egi's finally have a clearly defined role and just need mending. We no longer have the debate on whether we use Garuda or Ifrit.