Healers, It's ok we really do love you!

[Nyvara]

I have been noticing in dungeon runs that when I say something to a healer like. " Nice Job!" "Great Heals!" or even "Nice rescue!" I get replies like "?" or "Are you serious?" or in one case they just dropped. I mean this kind of thing happens a lot.

Last night my partner on a RDM told the healer "Don't worry I got your back!" after helping with heals. The poor healer took offense!

I feel bad, lately it seems you guys must be taking a beating in groups. That's sad.

The point of this post is to let all you full time heals know some of us love you guys and notice the hard work you do, so relax and take my complements!

[Moonfish]

If it was a messy run or pull those comments will sound like sarcasm.

[AlphaFox]

I had a similar reply in Shisui Dungeon, jumped into the box and the dps was a bit early and still got caught. Used rescue to pull them out from across the room and will admit I got a laugh from it. However context can make it seem like you are making fun of them or in the case of a RDM assisting with healing, insulting them that they can't do the job they are set to do.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

It's a mixed bag.

I generally don't ask much of my groups when I heal. I found it's best to just keep my mouth shut and do what I can to keep an overzealous tank alive. I've found that if I say something about perhaps a tank who is overzealous, bad with rotations, or just undergeared - I get a "Deal with it" attitude back more often then not. So I just see if I can keep up. If I can't, I leave rather than waste time and bandwidth on it. I have plenty of other games I can play for 30 minutes if it comes to that.

Only time I speak up anymore is if the Tank asks if he should pull bigger. I appreciate they ask first, and will always tell them to do what's comfortable for them. It's been my experience that people who ask first usually know what they're doing and are smart enough to adjust if they find they can't handle it. I'll also say the same thing if the DPS begs the tank to pull bigger - at which point I'll say "Pull what you're comfortable with, I'm your healer not them - and I got your back either way"

[Hezzlocks]

It's a mixed bag.

I generally don't ask much of my groups when I heal. I found it's best to just keep my mouth shut and do what I can to keep an overzealous tank alive. I've found that if I say something about perhaps a tank who is overzealous, bad with rotations, or just undergeared - I get a "Deal with it" attitude back more often then not. So I just see if I can keep up. If I can't, I leave rather than waste time and bandwidth on it. I have plenty of other games I can play for 30 minutes if it comes to that.

Only time I speak up anymore is if the Tank asks if he should pull bigger. I appreciate they ask first, and will always tell them to do what's comfortable for them. It's been my experience that people who ask first usually know what they're doing and are smart enough to adjust if they find they can't handle it. I'll also say the same thing if the DPS begs the tank to pull bigger - at which point I'll say "Pull what you're comfortable with, I'm your healer not them - and I got your back either way"

As someone who is only just starting to get into tanking, and is nervous as all hell when I enter a new dungeon and try to carefully balance between speed and caution, this is a welcome attitude to me. In fact, I would love it if a healer would offer me constructive criticism - so long as it's actually that and not outright abuse.

They've all just stayed quiet though, and while I totally understand why, it's a little bit of a shame as I spend much of the dungeon wondering if I'm stressing the healer too much or if I'm boring him or whatever. Even more so when I try out a technique that I've seen other tanks do but botch it up pretty badly. Most recently was Sohm Al, the level 53 version, trying to pull the trash before the frost dragon down so we wouldn't have to worry about those AoE ice bombs and end up causing a bit of a mess. Not a word was said, but I could tell there were "WTF is this tank doing" thoughts going on.

[Lilseph]

Last night my partner on a RDM told the healer "Don't worry I got your back!" after helping with heals. The poor healer took offense!
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I can see how this can be dreadful for a healer, as they can perceive it as if they weren't good enough at their job. Having the RDM/SMN helping with rezzes is one thing, but healing? That kinda stings.

Ultimately, healers aren't doing anything extraordinary, just doing their jobs. This is why you'll rarely see people praising them unless they do something uncanny and save a run completely, which can be applied for other roles as well.

[Granyala]

I can see how this can be dreadful for a healer, as they can perceive it as if they weren't good enough at their job. Having the RDM/SMN helping with rezzes is one thing, but healing? That kinda stings.

This makes 0 sense and I am talking to you as a healing main.

There is only one reason that a Hybrid DPS is forced to heal: people take tons of avoidable damage (b/c the non avoidable stuff in Dungeons is, again, beyond pathetically low). If I am GCD capped and cannot save rear ends of incompetent people, I welcome DPS players with situational awareness and the willingness to sacrifice DPS in order to save a team mate with open arms.

It's a bit touchy with healers right now, given how much SE has shat on us this expansion.

Care to elaborate on that?
I've read a few complaints but to be honest: healing doesn't feel any different to me compared to Stormblood.

Pretty much what Moonfish said. We get sarcastic remarks often enough that its super easy to mistake genuine compliments as just more sarcasm.

I feel left out... I want to get sarcastic comments too!

[Hatstand]

Care to elaborate on that?
I've read a few complaints but to be honest: healing doesn't feel any different to me compared to Stormblood.

A bit late, but I'll reply to this.

WHM, from my experience, does heal a lot like its earlier iteration. It's by far in the best state of any healer right now.

SCH:

- Had one of our two fairies functionally removed (you can still summon her, but all her abilities are now identical to the other fairy)
- Lost our ability to cast Aetherflow outside of combat, so suddenly pressing aetherflow before the last mob dies becomes a concern
- Had our damage options reduced from 9 to 4 (and yes, I know we're healers, not dps, but a) we have to do quest content, too, and a two button spam isn't engaging and b) if you expect healers to dps (or plan to give them downtime in which there's nothing better to do) it would be nice if it was even vaguely interesting)
- Lost our ability to spend our Aetherflow on anything other than healing, which removes a risk/reward calculation that used to be very satisfying. This also means that if people aren't taking much damage (and there are many situations you can get through on fairy heals, except at the top end of content) you often end up sitting on on stacks when aetherflow comes off cooldown, and are presented on a choice of which resource to waste: stacks or the mp from aetherflow
- Loses 5 abilities upon first equipping their job stone. And gains one new ability in return. The abilities lost include the one which is picked up just one quest before at the same level. Which just feels like a slap in the face for new SCHs.

The dps complaints in particular might seem like things that were already true of WHM, but at least WHM can weave in assize (it currently has 6 dps abilities to SCH's 5, and one of SCH's is an apply it and forget it buff on a 2 minute cooldown), and they get the risk/reward decision we lost in aetherflow in deciding whether to use tools like Presence of Mind for healing or dpsing.

I haven't played AST since the expansion. I loved the old card system, and am not looking forward to trying the new AST. From what I've read in the healer forums, apart from the divisive card changes, ASTs have considerably lower healing potencies than the other healers, and their buffs are underwhelming when compared to WHM personal dps in terms of rdps contribution. The changes to how cards are drawn and used feel clunky and overall the class feels like a lot more effort for less effect than the other healers.

[Nightroad]

Why thank you for your thoughtful comments.
Rest assured I will not be queuing in any case , so do enjoy your dungeons.

[MrKusakabe]

Last night my partner on a RDM told the healer "Don't worry I got your back!" after helping with heals. The poor healer took offense!

I always do that, too. And just yesterday, I had a new Hrothgar White Mage in that last Heavensward Level 60 dungeon - this Wall thingy - which, of course, took lots of damage from the mechanic first time (funny I recorded this, but for other purposes^^). I think I healed him (or myself, or even the other Red Mage) in several occassions and he was apparently fine with it while the other RDM did not care even if he was down to like 5% health - one more attack and the wipe was set in stone.



Sometimes we both healed - he himself and I with my "Erzvitas" (Vercures). He was some light-hearted and talkative guy and probably just interested in a good run, not in some sort of e-pen measuring.

WHM self heals and I assist

Funny thing I was saying exactly the same thing in a positive way ("I assisted you with some Vercures") but he was very happy and "Byeeeed" me (the others left immediately).

Got a "Best Player" vote, too, probably from him. So yeah: Not everyone takes it as offense despite it was a close call often, but this handsome fella was particular great to play with.

I think every healer with a bit of a brain notices when things get chaotic and is glad for any assistance.



As long as it's not accompanied by a snarky comment, I think they [Red Mages] do it out of politeness/friendlyness. If they would want to harm and mock my healing skills when I mess up as Schlar, they would let themselves flat out die, because this is the ultimate "diss" in that matter.

[I let the names in the pictures as it was great and succesfull fun run!]