ShB story did not go the way I thought it would. (Spoilers)

[TankHunter678]

How do we know we're not actually tempered by Hydaelyn though? The ascians are tempered by Zodiark, which as Emet Selch said was natural to happen.

When you look at what limited information that surrounded the calamity they faced the highest possibility of why it happened was because of their creation magic. If you look at the people themselves they did everything they could to avoid confrontation and bottled up their emotions. So when something happened that started the calamity in a far off city state it caused fear to become widespread, as the calamity spread that fear manifested more monsters to propagate it further which lead to even more cases of the Ancients becoming overwhelmed by fear and summoning forth more monsters. After all, all it took for them to use their creation magic was a mere thought and all it took to produce a different result was another thought.

So what would be one way to try to prevent this from happening again after the laws of the world was repaired from the rampant unrestricted use of creation magic? Tempering. If Zodiark tempered everyone and controlled their emotions then even if something were to go wrong and monsters get summoned no one would fear the monsters and lose control of their magic because they cannot feel fear unless Zodiark allows it.

So of course Zodiark naturally tempered them. It was part of Zodiark's design to begin with as an anti-terminus measure.

Hydaelyn though is the antithesis to Zodiark. She was summoned by those who did not agree with the sacrificing of unwilling life and those who did not want to be controlled like puppets by a creation of their people. So they summoned Hydaelyn to be a check on Zodiark and to ensure that the life that was restored had a chance to have a future of their own. As well as sunder the creation magic of their people so that the calamity could not come to pass again while still allowing everyone free will. Which every action of Hydaelyn checks out in regards to that. Not to mention our ability to question Hydaelyn is proof of us not being tempered. Just as the Ascians inability to question their god or truly consider alternatives proof of them being tempered. Hydaelyn wants us to make our own future, to live our own lives. Zordiark exists to control lives and maintain a state in the past.

Every other primal that does tempering works off of ascian blueprints, and those primals were purposely designed to be as destructive on hydaelyn as possible.

[Ariane]

How do we know we're not actually tempered by Hydaelyn though? The ascians are tempered by Zodiark, which as Emet Selch said was natural to happen.

Its an MMO. it just wouldn't work. Nothing satisfying can come of it. They are not going to change the game to make it to work. Besides that the First WoLs shouldn't have been able to cause trouble on the Source like they did if they were tempered.

[BlitzAceRush]

It's a bit foggy when it comes to if primal's have to temper automatically as Lakshmi didn't try to temper the Scion's with us until she actively chose to try and we had to block it, same when she was summoned in the palace, if they just tempered by proximity she'd had tempered Alisaie, Alphinaud, Lyse and later all the people in the throne room on the spot. It might be they release a burst of Aether at the moment of summoning that tempers but that's also unclear. There are several cases of Primal's not tempering people so we don't know really how it works.

[Yshnal]

Actually Primals can temper passively. Pretty sure the Slyphs just summoning Ramuh auto-tempers them and one of the Sahagin beast tribe quests is about trying to save some captives before they are turned by being in Leviathan's aether-coated lands for too long with it being possible they all were turned.

Not quite. The Primals behave exactly as their worshipers believe they should. As such, Ramuh was summoned to *rule* (important part here) over the forest and protect it, and that might be why he made the sylphs his subjects and servants. Also, if we remember that the Ascians are the ones teaching the beast tribes how to summon a primal, it's perfectly possible that their whole process makes the summoners tempered, to start with (see our poor Ga Bu). Then after that you just have the tempered beastfolks bringing more subjects to temper.

About the Sahagin quest, I've always understood that one as Leviathan always going around with his temper-mode (so to speak) ON, and/or leaving trails of his tempering power around.

Remember that Ysayle was able to summon Shiva several times in front of non-Echo users and we didn't actually see her temper anyone passively while doing so. Nor do we see the kami (and I mean the "real" ones, not Susano) tempering anyone, either. Nor Ramuh when we talked with him with most of the other Scions present. Nor Lakshmi in Ala Mhigo, which actually shows us that she needs to temper in a very active way. Etc.

[Ramesses]

How do we know we're not actually tempered by Hydaelyn though? The ascians are tempered by Zodiark, which as Emet Selch said was natural to happen.




This reminded me of what Elidibus said at the end of the story. About us being warriors of Darkness.

Exactly this... plus, Uncle Emet essentially gives you a hint early on in the MSQ when he says...

[Kairann]

It appeared that way from the cinematic, but ffxiv is nothing if not unpredictable. It became much more complicated than simple elemental light vs dark. This expansion added an underlying ideology that led to the summoning of Zodiark and eventually Hydaelyn. The Ascians following Zodiark are clinging to memories of a glorious past. The followers of Hydaelyn believed in the dream of a better present and future. As the champion of Hydaelyn and Eorzea, we're fighting for every mortal life in the here and now, and those yet to come.

[gumas]

if there is something i learn from the past expansion story is that, it seems that yoshi didnt want to get things become to dark (like nier series dark for example), he just want to stay like dragon quest, you know... the usual story of brave hero saving the world kind of thing where the hero is really do goodies, kind and help others willingly.

part of me really want things to get dark like known npc to die permanently, you know... another "haurchefant", and no that npc in amh araeng didnt count (that npc only with us like what? 15 minutes and you expect me to go sad drama? thats not how it work)

what i hate with JP game developer (well, anime developer too i guess) is that they tend to keep character alive even if the plot tell them otherwise, they just magically survive on next 4 episode or something. i know, waifu/husbando marketing stuff yeah, but still...

[Kidria]

if there is something i learn from the past expansion story is that, it seems that yoshi didnt want to get things become to dark (like nier series dark for example), he just want to stay like dragon quest, you know... the usual story of brave hero saving the world kind of thing where the hero is really do goodies, kind and help others willingly.

part of me really want things to get dark like known npc to die permanently, you know... another "haurchefant", and no that npc in amh araeng didnt count (that npc only with us like what? 15 minutes and you expect me to go sad drama? thats not how it work)

what i hate with JP game developer (well, anime developer too i guess) is that they tend to keep character alive even if the plot tell them otherwise, they just magically survive on next 4 episode or something. i know, waifu/husbando marketing stuff yeah, but still...

I think Tesleen's case was a show of how a sin eater is born (showing the pain and anguish) as well as having us feel more sad for Alisaie.

[gumas]

I think Tesleen's case was a show of how a sin eater is born (showing the pain and anguish) as well as having us feel more sad for Alisaie.

yeah its definitely for that purpose but it just weird when it happened my char just stood there lifeless (not even angry or assume battle stance or anything) while alisaie went berserk lol

in my view i feel like "am i suppose to feel something or what?"

[kidalutz]

Just remember the Ascians dont need to lie exactly they can say half truths and still not lie.