se does not understand scholar

[tikiwiki]

I'm genuinely curious as to WTF these SCHs are doing if they can't use 3 AF charges per minute.
First charge should always be Sacred Soil.
Second should almost always be Excog since theres absolutely no reason to not use it.

im not using the stacks since they just end up being 100% overheal and theres no reason to lose dps to weave them when they accomplish nothing

[Dogempire]

My main gripe with these changes is that there's really no way to tell a good sch apart from a bad one minus how often they can save you when shit hits the fan.

The OK scholars can still easily keep their dots up, but the only difference between the good ones and the OK ones is how much they overheal and how many broils they can squeeze out per minute.

There's no challenge of monitoring your DOTS and refreshing them at the very last second, there's no challenge to making it so that your fairy does almost all of the healing and you can just throw in an ogcd lustrate and keep your rotation going.

Heck there's not even any risk in blowing your Aetherflow stacks on energy drain for more MP instead of keeping your stacks up in case the tank needs extra healing for trash pulls. Heck you can't even bane huge pulls, which used to be a very satisfying skill to use before focusing on keeping the tank up.

The job is a boring husk of its former self with no challenge to healing unless you're either doing savage, doing huge pulls with a tank that doesn't use cds, or the combined IQ of your party members is less than 100. I can't even be bothered to level up the class that I played the last 2 expansions on because of how unengaging healing is now.

They're literally devolved SCH from a mighty tactician capable of balancing healing, damage, and shields to a glorified health babysitter.

[SweetPete]

I mean, do you think that '' healers '' are all this big collective of people who all agree with each other?
The whole dps issue in regards to healing in FFXIV altogether has a lot of different sides and opinions.

No one here speaks on behalf of '' healers '' in FFXIV, we're just a handful of people on the internet.
And people who have issues are far more likely to speak about it because the people who aren't having issues have no reason to sit around complaining about it on the forums they're just enjoying the game.

I don't disagree with most of the issues that people are having, but people shouldn't think that they're these spokespeople on behalf of the '' healer community '' or whatever.
And I am saying this as someone who's extremely disappointed with how they've handled MNK too, but I am not going to sit here and proclaim to speak on behalf of MNK's and that I know what most people want.

Yes I wholeheartedly agree. I see so many people saying “What all scholar healers want”

I think if you are writing a post then don’t include every sch player. Just talk about your dislikes and leave feedback based on your own experience and disappointments. Now if there are many on the forums then yes you can reference them but not the whole community. That’s not right of fair.

[SweetPete]

[QUOTE=Sylve;5088482]I'm genuinely curious as to WTF these SCHs are doing if they can't use 3 AF charges per minute.
First charge should always be Sacred Soil.
Second should almost always be Excog since theres absolutely no reason to not use it.

Honestly,

I’ve been scratching my head trying to figure that one out myself lol. When the dungeon starts I use recitation+ excog+adlo the tank. Pull wall to wall and throw down SS then dps until tank gets to maybe half then lustrate. AF will be coming off CD anyway then I use it again and use lustrates to build my feh gauge as I dps to help my team out then before all mobs die I use dissipation to get 3 aetherflow back. Repeat my recitation+excog+adlo for the next set of wall to wall mobs. Only this time I will have allot of fey gauge to use fey union. So I do that and lustrate in between because the tank still takes damage and fey union sometimes ticks and sometimes don’t so I make sure as I am dps I am watching the tank. Throw down the SS too. As I said in my last post. If the tank is really good at utilizing their cds then that’s when I see myself with some aetherflow left over. It’s usually 1. Never 2-3. So like you I’m not sure how either.

[SweetPete]

Replace every use of Succor with an Indom. Saves you a GCD you can spend on Broil instead.
Also, learning the fight makes it easier to expend all 3 charges, not harder. Knowing exactly when an AoE is going out means I can plan to use an Indom over a Succor.
Further, your cohealer would save themselves some work by coordinating you to use Indoms more.
Also, since you mention Catalyze on the Tank, one assumes you're using Adloq. Heres an idea, If you have a charge left over and AF is coming back up .. Maybe DONT Adloq the Tank. Let them take the hit Galvanise would have blocked and justify your Lustrate usage.

And like I said, you can SS twice and Excog twice inside an Aetherflow cooldown. That's 4 potential usages of the 3 Aetherflow charges you get.
Please also remember that Trials/Raids are not the only content in which we heal. Even in an absolutely miracle perfect EX Dungeon run, the party takes unavoidable damage. Waste your spare charge on Indoms and save yourself a GCD.
Ive said before that i'd like the second Healer requirement removed from Trials and raids, as it immediately boosts our healing workload.

For playing a job with a foundation on planning ahead, you sure don't seem to want to plan out Aetherflow usage.

Yet again I agree with you. When solo healing both new ex primals. I am definitely healing more and being more careful than I would if I had a co-healer. I honestly thought SE would surprise us and use 5 dps instead and only use 1 healer in content. I was wrong. If they want us to heal more this is the way to do it. As you said there is always unavoidable party damage. So you will be healing allot. Also maybe that’s why I run out of AF is because I always use indom over succor or use indom then immediately shield them with succor. Especially in fights like innocence ex with his crazy aoes.

[MOZZYSTAR]

I agree with some of the others in that I don't think the dev team understands healers in general. When I first started, this is how people generally categorised the healers:

WHM: "easy/straight forward" healer for beginners, big heals, reactive heals
SCH: "diffficult/strategic" healer for beginners, "DPS" healer, preventative/mitigating damage healer
Back then, AST wasn't a thing.

I think it's good to have variety, and even different levels of "hardness" for classes. It's just so odd to me that the team really doesn't understand these classes or healers all together, and yet they're the original team? If that's the case, how could they have first made thes classes only to sabotage them completely? WHM, I heard was decent now... But AST is basically moot now, and SCH lost its identity. It's ridiculous.

I just want to know what they're thinking outside of the BS they feed us. And I want, with every fibre, for AST and SCH to go back to the way they were. As it is, I really just cannot will myself to play AST or SCH on either of my characters, and it sucks because I prefer healing over all else. (Sorry, WHM, but I dumped you back when HW came out nd I will never get back into you. POtentially. We'll see how long my will lasts.)

[SweetPete]

These sch threads wouldn’t be even seen if sch kept its entire dps kit. In 4.0 all I saw sch doing 90% of the time was casting dps skills and leaving the healing to their fairy and co healer. I can’t tell you how many times I was paired with a sch in 8 man and 24man raids on my ast and they barely did any healing. I’m seeing the same thing now with whm. Most of the ones I’ve been grouped with are doing dps 90% and using only afflatus, plenary and assize to get to misery. All I’m saying is there are healers out there who love the changes and being more healer oriented. However they get bullied and harassed. It’s ok if you find the changes boring. That’s ok. If someone wants to stand there and only heal then it’s ok. It’s doesn’t mean you have to harass and bully them and make them feel horrible because in your mind healers should have a dps rotation. That’s not how it works. It’s not right and it’s not fair to them. “But you’re not utilizing your entire kit that SE gave you so that makes you bad” come on really? When has SE ever said healers are required to dps. They aren’t. It’s not included in fights even savage. It’s bonus yes and that’s fine. “But if you’re just standing there you aren’t doing anything. People pay to play this game and have fun. Point blank period. As a healer I have to utilize my entire kit but the same doesn’t go for tanks and dps? Wall to wall pull and I’m struggling to keep the tank alive because they aren’t using defensive cds much but we have a rdm and the rdm just continues to dps when they have vercure to help me out. The tank dies. Paladin loses aggro and sees I’m taking allot of damage but doesn’t use clemency or cover, I die. They didn’t utilize abilities in their kit. Makes them baddie? Ex primal fight going well. Had some deaths but it’s ok and Everyone dps even healers and still get to enrage and can’t kill it. Must be dps fault since they couldn’t have been using their entire kit to make their damage stronger. SE makes healers more pure healer “oriented” and all I’ve been reading is healers are boring and they suck now. They took away all the dps skills and now they are boring. Well news flash. Some people actually like it and don’t want it to return to the way it was. Some like not having to fish for balance, some like having a powerful dps skill they are rewarded for using their lilies. Some like sch being able to heal allot better and doesn’t mind the dps got gutted. Some don’t like to dps as a healer, some love to dps. Some paladins don’t use clemency or cover and some rdm don’t use vercure. Flooding the forums with SE doesn’t know what they are doing with healers etc... I’m not saying the devs are perfect and I’m sure they will adjust jobs as they see fit. Bringing back all those dps skills to sch will only revert it back to 90% dps as it was and as whm is now. It’s nice to have feedback but when you just straight up harass and bully others to your mindset it is just wrong.

[Nimloth]

These sch threads wouldn’t be even seen if sch kept its entire dps kit. In 4.0 all I saw sch doing 90% of the time was casting dps skills and leaving the healing to their fairy and co healer. I can’t tell you how many times I was paired with a sch in 8 man and 24man raids on my ast and they barely did any healing. I’m seeing the same thing now with whm. Most of the ones I’ve been grouped with are doing dps 90% and using only afflatus, plenary and assize to get to misery. All I’m saying is there are healers out there who love the changes and being more healer oriented. However they get bullied and harassed. It’s ok if you find the changes boring. That’s ok. If someone wants to stand there and only heal then it’s ok. It’s doesn’t mean you have to harass and bully them and make them feel horrible because in your mind healers should have a dps rotation. That’s not how it works. It’s not right and it’s not fair to them. “But you’re not utilizing your entire kit that SE gave you so that makes you bad” come on really? When has SE ever said healers are required to dps. They aren’t. It’s not included in fights even savage. It’s bonus yes and that’s fine. “But if you’re just standing there you aren’t doing anything. People pay to play this game and have fun. Point blank period. As a healer I have to utilize my entire kit but the same doesn’t go for tanks and dps? Wall to wall pull and I’m struggling to keep the tank alive because they aren’t using defensive cds much but we have a rdm and the rdm just continues to dps when they have vercure to help me out. The tank dies. Paladin loses aggro and sees I’m taking allot of damage but doesn’t use clemency or cover, I die. They didn’t utilize abilities in their kit. Makes them baddie? Ex primal fight going well. Had some deaths but it’s ok and Everyone dps even healers and still get to enrage and can’t kill it. Must be dps fault since they couldn’t have been using their entire kit to make their damage stronger. SE makes healers more pure healer “oriented” and all I’ve been reading is healers are boring and they suck now. They took away all the dps skills and now they are boring. Well news flash. Some people actually like it and don’t want it to return to the way it was. Some like not having to fish for balance, some like having a powerful dps skill they are rewarded for using their lilies. Some like sch being able to heal allot better and doesn’t mind the dps got gutted. Some don’t like to dps as a healer, some love to dps. Some paladins don’t use clemency or cover and some rdm don’t use vercure. Flooding the forums with SE doesn’t know what they are doing with healers etc... I’m not saying the devs are perfect and I’m sure they will adjust jobs as they see fit. Bringing back all those dps skills to sch will only revert it back to 90% dps as it was and as whm is now. It’s nice to have feedback but when you just straight up harass and bully others to your mindset it is just wrong.

I'm not opposed to having healing be more demanding, but unfortunately, SE is just not delivering on that front. Currently, in most EX primals I'm spending a lot of time DPSing while only a little bit of healing is needed. This has resulted in me spamming broil III more often than naught. What I don't really understand is why our DPS kit can't be more interesting. DPSing doesn't come at the expense of healing, rather DPSing happens because of people min/max their abilities and avoids overhealing at any cost. If someone doesn't want to DPS, the healing kit is available, no one ever has to touch the DPS kit if they are not inclined to do so.

That being said, It's true that static will require you to DPS and min/max your kit. Even in the current environment that is still happening, even with the DPS abilities being diminished to 2 buttons on boss encounters, statics still require you to DPS. If they happen to increase healing needs throughout the expansion that is fantastic and people will use the DPS kit less. Unfortunately, Culling DPS abilities is just removing an entertaining rotation during healing downtime and punishing people who min/max their abilities.

My main point is that healer is extremely boring for me to play because I spend a good portion of my time DPSing instead of healing since it's not really needed. In the future, if healing needs increase, we will still have an interesting healing kit to use, but that doesn't have to come at the expense of making out DPS rotation boring. A lot of the feedback you are seeing is because people are spending way more time DPSing than healing and until the healing needs increase, this will always be the case. So, ultimately why is it a bad thing to have an interesting DPS kit?

To show you what I mean, in a run of Titania EX I have the following:

112 casts of Broil III
22 casts of Biolysis
30 casts of Ruin II

The fight was approximately 10 minutes long, that means I spent close to 90% of my time using GCDs on DPS abilities.

In terms of healing GCDs I had:

12 casts of succor
5 casts of Physick
8 Adloquiums

Which accounts for about 1o% of my time.

The interesting part is that healing did not come at the expense of damage, as I still healed about the same as the WHM in our party.

I sincerely hope this helps you understand where some of the healers on the forums are coming from.

[tikiwiki]

Bringing back all those dps skills to sch will only revert it back to 90% dps as it was and as whm is now. It’s nice to have feedback but when you just straight up harass and bully others to your mindset it is just wrong.

you realize how much healing the fairy put out right and how little damage goes out in the game right why would i cast a skill directly when i can use a fairy skill to accomplish the healing and were still dpsing 90% of the time so pruning these skills hasnt changed that so now im just mashing 2 buttons and acomplishing all the needed healing with an ogcd skill

[Hatstand]

Who has been harassing and bullying? The only thing I can think of as coming close is people telling other people they don’t know how to heal because they have stacks leftover, and I don’t even think that really counts. Yes, there’s the stuff in the thread dedicated to the “to dps or not to dps” discussion, but... that’s the point of that thread.

Also, I can’t help but wonder if SCH doing more dps (if that is the case. I have not observed such) wasn’t partially a result of both player preferences. I used to play WHM when I wanted to just heal for a while, and I’m sure others did the same. So, if the WHM is there to heal and focuses on that, there’s less healing left for the SCH. If I look at the party hp bars and everyone is pretty full with a medica 2 HoT on, I’m going to dps instead of overhealing. And that’s not a problem if everyone is happy. The idea that all the healers should be doing the same thing grates against the idea of class identity.