If you guys could go ahead and restrict the use MBs while being on another world

[Nedkel]

This problem was not caused by cross-world buying. Yes, some mats don't sell well on the marketboard. Find the ones that do, and farm and sell those. There are plenty that are sub-80 - and even sub-70 - which sell for a pretty penny still. Elementary MMO money making.

Materia price went down to dramatic low amounts for instance too, a tons of things did.
I play on low-pop server and i used to make quite a big money on materia alone and materials for tomestones, after they introduced server visiting everything went down and so my income from around 5 mil a week went to under 1 mil.

Low prices are good, because it makes DoH classes easier to level, which in turn allows people to produce items that are worth something. A player not doing research into what they can capitalise on to make money is not an issue caused by cross-world trading.

Price of the equipment barely changed mate, it was the materials and other stuff that is being sold mainly got giant price drop to the floor. Newer players and poor players and average players have it 10 times worse to earn gil than before and i speak here out on my experience. I was able to just resell a lot of vendor stuff for profit, because everyone had gil to spend and it was running through the market in much bigger quantities than now. Can you sell stuff from vendor for profit now? I doubt.
When i started playing on Zodiark people were buying paint from me because they could afford it, now they dont because every gil is much more valuable and harder to get...

If only there was some kind of measure through which it could be stabilised; something through which prices could reach something of an equilibrium. Also, the problem of mats selling for vendor prices was not caused by cross-world trading.

They should, because it has not as of yet had a demonstrably negative impact.

No, there is no system that will fix it.
Just block selling options for those that are business-visiting, because they take all the stuff from twice or three times as big markets and bring them to small ones completely destroying any balance. 50 of guys like this and price drop like crazy, because they are flooding market with goods that this market just cannot buy.

Low prices casued by flood of supply doesnt benefit anyone, it makes it harder to make any gil at all.
Server visiting makes it easier to manage RMT, its should be restricted heavily.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It might be a joke but I am tempted to so something of the sort. Get my brother to be on the lowest pop server and just buy a whole bunch of cheap crap i put up just to have him buy it and sell it at stupid inflated prices on other servers then do it the other way around.

As asinine as that idea is it will work in the current system.

If you can't make others see reason, exploit the system yourself.

Yup, you know nothing about selling stuff ingame.

1 - the lowest pop server, except for very rare exceptions, has always the biggest stupid inflated prices
2 - if you buy X at the lowest pop server for 15M then try to sell it elsewhere for 50M, people will just keep buying X from other vendors with actual reasonable prices and you'll never get your stuff sold. Not to mention others would kickly undercut you and bring the price massively down.
3 - asking devs to change it back because you want to sell stuff at overpriced rates and you don't want to drop them is even more asinine than that idea. Even if you could control the market, people would just buy X from someone else on your server. Even linking the MBs wouldn't help because people would just ignore your listings and buy cheaper ones.

[MaybeOliverB]

It might be a joke but I am tempted to so something of the sort. Get my brother to be on the lowest pop server and just buy a whole bunch of cheap crap i put up just to have him buy it and sell it at stupid inflated prices on other servers then do it the other way around.

As asinine as that idea is it will work in the current system.

If you can't make others see reason, exploit the system yourself.

What? You can literally trade yourself over and over. Why would you even want to use a marketboard to transfer items or gil to other servers?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Materia price went down to dramatic low amounts for instance too, a tons of things did.
I play on low-pop server and i used to make quite a big money on materia alone and materials for tomestones, after they introduced server visiting everything went down and so my income from around 5 mil a week went to under 1 mil.



Price of the equipment barely changed mate, it was the materials and other stuff that is being sold mainly got giant price drop to the floor. Newer players and poor players and average players have 10 times worse to earn gil than before and i speak here out on my experience.




No, there is no system that will fix it.
Just block selling options for those that are business-visiting, because they take all the stuff from twice or three times as big markets and bring them to small ones completely destroying any balance. 50 of guys like this and price drop like crazy, because they are flooding market with goods that this market just cannot buy.

Low prices casued by flood of supply doesnt benefit anyone, it makes it harder to make any gil at all.

Gouging our lower pop server only helps gougers to earn money.

Not to mention, people earning less Gil matters less because they're now free from overpriced items and can shop around in accordance to how much money they're able to earn. Why should be people complain that they're earning 1M less, when now they can buy a crafted primal weapon for less than 1M instead of 5-10M?

Purchase power should dictate regional pricing, not the other way around.

[Nedkel]

Gouging our lower pop server only helps gougers to earn money.

Not to mention, people earning less Gil matters less because they're now free from overpriced items and can shop around in accordance to how much money they're able to earn. Why should be people complain that they're earning 1M less, when now they can buy a crafted primal weapon for less than 1M instead of 5-10M?

Purchase power should dictate regional pricing, not the other way around.

You dont get it do you?
Prices not only went down but it is also a lot harder to sell things without cutting anything. There is so much competition on low pop servers, the amount of sellers and buyers is not balanced at all and it destroys the income.
Yes it does matter that you get 5 mil over <1mil because you are able to spend this money on equipment from vendors if needed and have leftover for crafted gear, which is not proportionally cheaper in comparison to materials or your income. The stuff cost aorund 300-400k per piece of high lvl gear, it was little more expensive by maybe 100k not more.

Btw server visit just makes it easier for RMTs, this is a joke.

[Drayos]

If someone was inclined they could use the gil they already have to find something that sells for 100k or whatever less on another server, buy all of them and then go to their server and sell it for 200k.

If the servers were all linked (where it was one single MB for all the data center) then the seller would be selling directly to the people of every server. If they wanted to do it in a very poor mans way they could just let you sell on other servers without making them one MB to rule them all. That way the person selling would be able to sell their goods on what ever server they wanted.

As it is right now having "Traders" that just go from server to server buying a some goods and then reselling them on their server is dumb.

Pool it all into one MB / let sellers sell on other MBs or restrict it again.

There is a reason WoW or any other successful MMO hasn't done this.

Don’t know if you know.. but WoWs AH went through a massive phase where it was broken as hell.

The reason they don’t do it cause their servers cannot handle it. Don’t presume other games don’t do it cause it’s a bad idea.

There’s a reason ff14 doesn’t do plenty of things wow does, it isn’t because their dumb ideas it’s a difference of opinon between different developers and in this case completely different cultures.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

You dont get it do you?
Prices not only went down but it is also a lot harder to sell things without cutting anything. There is so much competition on low pop servers, the amount of sellers and buyers is not balanced at all and it destroys the income.

Well, somehow people on the high pop servers, who have way way more competition seem to get by.

Yes it does matter that you get 5 mil over <1mil because you are able to spend this money on equipment from vendors if needed and have leftover for crafted gear, which is not proportionally cheaper in comparison to materials or your income. The stuff cost aorund 300-400k per piece of high lvl gear, it was little more expensive by maybe 100k not more.

You don't live in a bubble. You can also benefit from the same lower prices your buyers benefit from, in other servers. The only issue here seems to be "I don't want to adapt to this new marker even though if I do, I'll be fine, just like crafters on high pop servers".

Btw server visit just makes it easier for RMTs, this is a joke.

Ah, when all arguments fail, go for the low hanging fruit. Knives can be used to cut food ingredients. They can also be used to stab people. Shall we outlaw all knives?
Server visit benefits everyone way more than the con of facilitating RMT. You also seem to forget that it doesn't increase the number of people actually using RMT service. More bots doesn't equal more people buying Gil.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Because if you can't sell on other servers you shouldn't be able to buy on them. All it does is make the more populated servers be burdened with supplying the lower populated ones. If traders could buy and sell on what ever server they wanted then it would be a.. much more fair market.

There is a reason no other game (MMORPG) has done something so incredibly stupid to their market.

If this is the only reason why you wish the MB to go back to the way it used to be, then I disagree. I don't see how it is unfair. If you have the ability to travel to another world to buy a thing, then in practice, you have the ability to sell to other players because they have the ability to travel to your world and buy from the MB you post your goods on.

Essentially, everything that can be posted on a MB is available for a player to acquire in-game. Granted, many things require hard-work, dedication, time (our most valuable asset), etc. When you post on the MB, you are selling a short-cut. While I am fairly new to FF14 and how this particular MB works long-term, I don't view MB (on any MMO) as an essential way for players to create wealth. The creation of wealth, IMO, is a byproduct of selling short-cuts to other players.

What I am failing to see, however, is how the MB system, as it is currently, is unfair to anyone. No one forces a player to buy anything from them. The game does not force you to use the MB to progress within the game. It all comes down to what a person's time is worth to them, in the form of in-game currency.

[Nixxe]

No. It's good that a single person can't monopolize the market board anymore. If you insist on price gouging then I'll find another server that sells cheaper.

If anything, it's possible to monopolize an entire data center now. Sellers can visit every realm to enforce their monopoly just as easily as you can.

[Doljax]

Materia price went down to dramatic low amounts for instance too, a tons of things did.
I play on low-pop server and i used to make quite a big money on materia alone and materials for tomestones, after they introduced server visiting everything went down and so my income from around 5 mil a week went to under 1 mil.

So in other words, you can't adapt to a changing market. Not to mention, your income going down demonstrates that the system is working as SE intends.

Price of the equipment barely changed mate, it was the materials and other stuff that is being sold mainly got giant price drop to the floor.

[Citation needed].

Newer players and poor players and average players have it 10 times worse to earn gil than before and i speak here out on my experience.

Anecdote != data.

I was able to just resell a lot of vendor stuff for profit, because everyone had gil to spend and it was running through the market in much bigger quantities than now. Can you sell stuff from vendor for profit now? I doubt.

See above regarding inability to adapt to a changing market.

When i started playing on Zodiark people were buying paint from me because they could afford it, now they dont because every gil is much more valuable and harder to get...

Or, they realise you were gouging them, and now they have much more economical sources for it.

No, there is no system that will fix it.
Just block selling options for those that are business-visiting, because they take all the stuff from twice or three times as big markets and bring them to small ones completely destroying any balance. 50 of guys like this and price drop like crazy, because they are flooding market with goods that this market just cannot buy.

The world visit system is fixing it though. You just don't like the results because it's taking easy gil out of your pockets. Not to mention, if the 'balance' can be so easily disrupted with an inflow of cheaper mats, it barely existed to begin with.

Low prices casued by flood of supply doesnt benefit anyone, it makes it harder to make any gil at all.
Server visiting makes it easier to manage RMT, its should be restricted heavily.

Oversupply existed before server visiting. Low prices help crafters. Low prices for products helps consumers. As to your RMT argument, RMT being managed (assuming there'll always be some degree of RMT) is far superior to it being more prevalent than it already is, which is the end result of prices being high.