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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    They are never good because you guys dumps prices to ridiculous low amount. Anything that is not lvl 80 mat is like dirt and because of it new players struggle to get any gil at all.
    This problem was not caused by cross-world buying. Yes, some mats don't sell well on the marketboard. Find the ones that do, and farm and sell those. There are plenty that are sub-80 - and even sub-70 - which sell for a pretty penny still. Elementary MMO money making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Low prices are bad, gil cidculates slowly and there is less opportunity for average player to make good gil on mb.
    Low prices are good, because it makes DoH classes easier to level, which in turn allows people to produce items that are worth something. A player not doing research into what they can capitalise on to make money is not an issue caused by cross-world trading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    If there is anything, people visiting low populated servers are completely destroying their economy, they lower prices to vendor selling price and anyone on the server playing will struggle to gain any gils because THERE ARE MORE SELLERS THAN BUYERS AND MARKET BALANCE IS COMPLETELY messed up.
    If only there was some kind of measure through which it could be stabilised; something through which prices could reach something of an equilibrium. Also, the problem of mats selling for vendor prices was not caused by cross-world trading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    The person visiting other server should not be able to sell stuff on it.
    They should, because it has not as of yet had a demonstrably negative impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doljax View Post
    This problem was not caused by cross-world buying. Yes, some mats don't sell well on the marketboard. Find the ones that do, and farm and sell those. There are plenty that are sub-80 - and even sub-70 - which sell for a pretty penny still. Elementary MMO money making.
    Materia price went down to dramatic low amounts for instance too, a tons of things did.
    I play on low-pop server and i used to make quite a big money on materia alone and materials for tomestones, after they introduced server visiting everything went down and so my income from around 5 mil a week went to under 1 mil.


    Quote Originally Posted by Doljax View Post
    Low prices are good, because it makes DoH classes easier to level, which in turn allows people to produce items that are worth something. A player not doing research into what they can capitalise on to make money is not an issue caused by cross-world trading.
    Price of the equipment barely changed mate, it was the materials and other stuff that is being sold mainly got giant price drop to the floor. Newer players and poor players and average players have it 10 times worse to earn gil than before and i speak here out on my experience. I was able to just resell a lot of vendor stuff for profit, because everyone had gil to spend and it was running through the market in much bigger quantities than now. Can you sell stuff from vendor for profit now? I doubt.
    When i started playing on Zodiark people were buying paint from me because they could afford it, now they dont because every gil is much more valuable and harder to get...


    Quote Originally Posted by Doljax View Post
    If only there was some kind of measure through which it could be stabilised; something through which prices could reach something of an equilibrium. Also, the problem of mats selling for vendor prices was not caused by cross-world trading.

    They should, because it has not as of yet had a demonstrably negative impact.
    No, there is no system that will fix it.
    Just block selling options for those that are business-visiting, because they take all the stuff from twice or three times as big markets and bring them to small ones completely destroying any balance. 50 of guys like this and price drop like crazy, because they are flooding market with goods that this market just cannot buy.

    Low prices casued by flood of supply doesnt benefit anyone, it makes it harder to make any gil at all.
    Server visiting makes it easier to manage RMT, its should be restricted heavily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Materia price went down to dramatic low amounts for instance too, a tons of things did.
    I play on low-pop server and i used to make quite a big money on materia alone and materials for tomestones, after they introduced server visiting everything went down and so my income from around 5 mil a week went to under 1 mil.



    Price of the equipment barely changed mate, it was the materials and other stuff that is being sold mainly got giant price drop to the floor. Newer players and poor players and average players have 10 times worse to earn gil than before and i speak here out on my experience.




    No, there is no system that will fix it.
    Just block selling options for those that are business-visiting, because they take all the stuff from twice or three times as big markets and bring them to small ones completely destroying any balance. 50 of guys like this and price drop like crazy, because they are flooding market with goods that this market just cannot buy.

    Low prices casued by flood of supply doesnt benefit anyone, it makes it harder to make any gil at all.
    Gouging our lower pop server only helps gougers to earn money.

    Not to mention, people earning less Gil matters less because they're now free from overpriced items and can shop around in accordance to how much money they're able to earn. Why should be people complain that they're earning 1M less, when now they can buy a crafted primal weapon for less than 1M instead of 5-10M?

    Purchase power should dictate regional pricing, not the other way around.
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    Last edited by JohnSpawnVFX; 07-19-2019 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Gouging our lower pop server only helps gougers to earn money.

    Not to mention, people earning less Gil matters less because they're now free from overpriced items and can shop around in accordance to how much money they're able to earn. Why should be people complain that they're earning 1M less, when now they can buy a crafted primal weapon for less than 1M instead of 5-10M?

    Purchase power should dictate regional pricing, not the other way around.
    You dont get it do you?
    Prices not only went down but it is also a lot harder to sell things without cutting anything. There is so much competition on low pop servers, the amount of sellers and buyers is not balanced at all and it destroys the income.
    Yes it does matter that you get 5 mil over <1mil because you are able to spend this money on equipment from vendors if needed and have leftover for crafted gear, which is not proportionally cheaper in comparison to materials or your income. The stuff cost aorund 300-400k per piece of high lvl gear, it was little more expensive by maybe 100k not more.

    Btw server visit just makes it easier for RMTs, this is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    You dont get it do you?
    Prices not only went down but it is also a lot harder to sell things without cutting anything. There is so much competition on low pop servers, the amount of sellers and buyers is not balanced at all and it destroys the income.
    Well, somehow people on the high pop servers, who have way way more competition seem to get by.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Yes it does matter that you get 5 mil over <1mil because you are able to spend this money on equipment from vendors if needed and have leftover for crafted gear, which is not proportionally cheaper in comparison to materials or your income. The stuff cost aorund 300-400k per piece of high lvl gear, it was little more expensive by maybe 100k not more.
    You don't live in a bubble. You can also benefit from the same lower prices your buyers benefit from, in other servers. The only issue here seems to be "I don't want to adapt to this new marker even though if I do, I'll be fine, just like crafters on high pop servers".

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Btw server visit just makes it easier for RMTs, this is a joke.
    Ah, when all arguments fail, go for the low hanging fruit. Knives can be used to cut food ingredients. They can also be used to stab people. Shall we outlaw all knives?
    Server visit benefits everyone way more than the con of facilitating RMT. You also seem to forget that it doesn't increase the number of people actually using RMT service. More bots doesn't equal more people buying Gil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Materia price went down to dramatic low amounts for instance too, a tons of things did.
    I play on low-pop server and i used to make quite a big money on materia alone and materials for tomestones, after they introduced server visiting everything went down and so my income from around 5 mil a week went to under 1 mil.
    So in other words, you can't adapt to a changing market. Not to mention, your income going down demonstrates that the system is working as SE intends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Price of the equipment barely changed mate, it was the materials and other stuff that is being sold mainly got giant price drop to the floor.
    [Citation needed].

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Newer players and poor players and average players have it 10 times worse to earn gil than before and i speak here out on my experience.
    Anecdote != data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    I was able to just resell a lot of vendor stuff for profit, because everyone had gil to spend and it was running through the market in much bigger quantities than now. Can you sell stuff from vendor for profit now? I doubt.
    See above regarding inability to adapt to a changing market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    When i started playing on Zodiark people were buying paint from me because they could afford it, now they dont because every gil is much more valuable and harder to get...
    Or, they realise you were gouging them, and now they have much more economical sources for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    No, there is no system that will fix it.
    Just block selling options for those that are business-visiting, because they take all the stuff from twice or three times as big markets and bring them to small ones completely destroying any balance. 50 of guys like this and price drop like crazy, because they are flooding market with goods that this market just cannot buy.
    The world visit system is fixing it though. You just don't like the results because it's taking easy gil out of your pockets. Not to mention, if the 'balance' can be so easily disrupted with an inflow of cheaper mats, it barely existed to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nedkel View Post
    Low prices casued by flood of supply doesnt benefit anyone, it makes it harder to make any gil at all.
    Server visiting makes it easier to manage RMT, its should be restricted heavily.
    Oversupply existed before server visiting. Low prices help crafters. Low prices for products helps consumers. As to your RMT argument, RMT being managed (assuming there'll always be some degree of RMT) is far superior to it being more prevalent than it already is, which is the end result of prices being high.
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