How to make this game more impactful and more satisfying in its Combat System

[Ryulaido]

Hello everyone. I cant find any Thread about this so im wondering if i am really in fact the only guy in this game who is a bit unsatisfied with that matter.

My suggestion is to improve the satisfaction in using skills : give every multi hit skill an separate damage number calculation. Every MMORPG even low budget mmorpg can afford to do that so its not an matter of money right?

what i mean are skills like... Sam skills as Kasha Gekko or Yukikaze or DRK skills like Hard Slash or Soul eater or even "Osmose" (i dont know the english name of that skill)

or blood spiller where the damage number shows up before the DRK actually hit the monster in the animation.

so for me this game would be much more fun to play if the damage number had an better timing in showing up. sometimes the damage number show already up before teh character made the skill. isnt that very unsatisfying for you too?

Why are the devs not changing that? there are alot of multi hit skills that only get 1 damage number for the total skill animation and even if its just 1 number it is very bad placed in its timing. royal authority from PLD shows up at the beginning where he didnt do the actual cool looking animation.


the problem with that is, many animations seems useless and non-enjoyable if the damage is already done before the skill animation made its highlight moment. so it feels useless to watch it. it feels like that hit wont do anything anyway and is just for the eyes to feel better. but it would have much more impact if the damage would show up together along with the skill animations hits.

there are alot of multi hit skills like from Ninja. That 3 hit attack where somehow only 2 damage numbers shows up which is pretty weird.

so they gave nin more than 1 damage number but only 2 of his 3 hits? Thats so random.


So can somebody explain me why the devs dont change this? why they dont improve this? would you agree with me it would have more impact and satisfaction in your combat feeling if the damage numbers would have a better timed apperance or give every multi hit also an separate damage number?


Im really curious about your opinions and i hope we get an statement about that because if they dont change that at least i would like to understand why this is not happening considering every game support that so i cant imagine this big game has budget issues to implement that.

[Kaethra]

If I'm not mistaken, you want numbers to appear after the attack has finished? And attacks that hit multiple times to show more than one number?

[Rivxkobe]

If I'm not mistaken, you want numbers to appear after the attack has finished? And attacks that hit multiple times to show more than one number?

I think he wants the numbers to appear when the attack "hits" so it feels more impactful. So basically, yeah though more on the attack "hit" and less on the attack "finishes", if they are different. Also yeah he wants multiple hit attacks to "hit" multiple times, showing numbers each time it hits. Like Lionheart/Omnislash and things.

[Arkfrost]

Piggybacking on this idea: It would be kinda fun, if the damage numbers would also fly in the direction we strike. For example with Dragoon's Chaos Thrust: First swing shoots a number left, second swing shoots a number to the right and the thrust shoots one larger number through the enemy

[Kaethra]

So I could agree that the timing of the numbers being shown could be different. And if they were Smart, they set up an internal scripting language to show when the effect happens and did NOT tie it directly to when the server processes it. We do have a client/server relationship, so even if we got what we want here. You'd still see the HP bar the target move before the attack 'finishes' This is because they do not wish Animations to self nerf abilities.

As for multihit. The only effects we see do multiple numbers are those that apply their effect multiple times. Like a Barrage'd Straight Shot. For attacks that aren't doubled or tripled like that, they do their potency value in damage. To change it so other attacks that have multiple hits in the animation, they would have to divide the damage dealt (after potency and modifiers and such) by the number of hits. Again if they set up their internal scripting for this sort of thing properly, it shouldn't be that hard.

So this is heavily dependent on how they set up their effect stack script.

[Raikai]

I like this idea. Also... Would desperately love if the proc lines could fly in a different direction than the damage. Anything that would make procs more noticeable without having to put a hotbar cluttering the middle of your screen.

[Reimmi]

I do agree that multi hit skills should have multiple damage numbers
it feels weird to do carve and spit and then see 1 big number rather than 3 smaller numbers

[Iromi]

I've always wanted multi hit to be what it was back in 1.x. Back then when we would do multiple hits..we'd see..multiple numbers. Not like..a 6 attack animation and one number.

[Nedkel]

They would have to rebuild their entire engine and netcode in order to make numbers appear immediately after AOE attack.

Whenever you AOE something, damage appears after the attack and it appears one after another on each mob, its a client<>server relations its not easy to change.

[Berethos]

Piggybacking on this idea: It would be kinda fun, if the damage numbers would also fly in the direction we strike. For example with Dragoon's Chaos Thrust: First swing shoots a number left, second swing shoots a number to the right and the thrust shoots one larger number through the enemy

That...

Would be incredibly distracting.

Also problematic for thrust/piercing attacks. What, would those fly through the boss to where you can't see them?