Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
Which is still very wrong. Have you ever actually seen an ultimate fight?
They were made with the same intention: To give those people who completed the most difficult content currently ingame an extreme challenge that wasnt intended to be cleared or even attempted by the majority of the people. It was an extra, ultimate challenge for the raiding community - very much how Ultimates are now.

You need to factor in the time here aswell: For the time when it was current content with the toolkit and knowledge we had back then, Savage Coil was the equivalent to Ultimate fights. Please keep in mind that this was the time when Titan HM was a gate for a lot of people and Titan EX groups required you to show multiple proof of multiple kills (I recall groups asking to show multiple Rowena weapons) because that was considered difficult content. Today we laugh at those mechanics, even when we do the content synched. They can be cleared in DF with a full party of randoms, of which 2 know the fight, 3 watched a video/guide and 3 just queued up without knowing anything at all. And even people who were reasonably good at the game back then where struggeling with fights like Titan EX or T9.
And for them Savage presented the same amount of challenge as Ultimates present to the dedicated raiding community today.

On an objective level Ultimaes may be the harder fights - on a subjective level, based on the time when it was relevant and toolkit available at that time, the Savage versions of the fights (for sure T9 Savage) represented an equal challenge.

And just a sidenote... judging by your lodestone-profile you havent done or at least completed the Ultimate fights yourself (nor the Omega Savage ones) - if you want to base someones judgement on the difficulty of those fights on wether or not they did them, may I sugget you refrain from making such judgement calls yourself?