Lack of End Game Content

[Hawklaser]

is it wrong that I was able to answer yes to every single one of your hypothetical questions?

No its not. It just means you have a higher tolerance to grind that kind of content just for the sake of doing grindy content.

It just gets old being told you can't say there is a lack of content type X if you haven't gone and ground every piece of content you might find tedious into the ground first.

[Eriane_Elis]

Yoshi P always complained about the limited budget they had to put into the game but now that FF14 is the new WoW, I'm sure their budget will be increased to allow a crazy about of new content. I just hope it's quality and not just quantity.

[Zabuza]

Yoshi P always complained about the limited budget they had to put into the game but now that FF14 is the new WoW, I'm sure their budget will be increased to allow a crazy about of new content. I just hope it's quality and not just quantity.

I wish that what you say was the case. FFXIV has already been their biggest moneymaker as of late and they have still diverted funds from it to other projects. I think it is a mistake, as FFXIV is quite popular now, and could be more so if they would pay it some additional attention.

[BlitzAceRush]

I wish that what you say was the case. FFXIV has already been their biggest moneymaker as of late and they have still diverted funds from it to other projects. I think it is a mistake, as FFXIV is quite popular now, and could be more so if they would pay it some additional attention.

Because unfortunately its working, despite yours and others complaints the game has continued to grow, gain more players it's not faltering or stalling out its still going in its stride and until something goes wrong SE are going to see no need to change anything.

People have been saying ARR needs fat trimmed as it turns away new players, I agree but the game pulls in more than it notices leave because of ARR.
PVP people want more, but the game continues to grow so it doesn't notice the people who want more PVP, can't get it and leave.
People want more end-game, more hardcore content more long lasting content but the game continues to grow without it so onward it goes.

That's why someone way at the start of this thread said the best thing all you people who want more end-game more hardcore content could do is leave permanently, not to get rid of you but because the only weapon SE will listen to is the bottom line, Yoshi listens but he can only work with the resources hes got so a shift to more of what you want is unlikely as is even if you did all leave as so long as the game continues to grow and thrive under its current model SE won't miss you.

You keep asking why the casuals aren't willing to give up a little of what they have for you but why should they? There are better options for what you want elsewhere just as this game suites their needs, you keep trying to tell them this game would be so much better and would tap its "true potential" if they just give you what you want, but what dose that mean to them? How is taking something even small away from themselves for content they have no interest in better the game for them? It dose not.

You're asking them to take something they like and alter part of it into something they do not, it's not surprising you'd get push back more so when you're telling them the 90% of the game they enjoy is irreverent to you while your 10% should be increased at the cost of theirs when there are games that already cater better to you and worse to them, but they are not there asking for it to suite them but you are here telling them to suite you.

[Zabuza]

Because unfortunately its working, despite yours and others complaints the game has continued to grow, gain more players it's not faltering or stalling out its still going in its stride and until something goes wrong SE are going to see no need to change anything.

People have been saying ARR needs fat trimmed as it turns away new players, I agree but the game pulls in more than it notices leave because of ARR.
PVP people want more, but the game continues to grow so it doesn't notice the people who want more PVP, can't get it and leave.
People want more end-game, more hardcore content more long lasting content but the game continues to grow without it so onward it goes.

That's why someone way at the start of this thread said the best thing all you people who want more end-game more hardcore content could do is leave permanently, not to get rid of you but because the only weapon SE will listen to is the bottom line, Yoshi listens but he can only work with the resources hes got so a shift to more of what you want is unlikely as is even if you did all leave as so long as the game continues to grow and thrive under its current model SE won't miss you.

You keep asking why the casuals aren't willing to give up a little of what they have for you but why should they? There are better options for what you want elsewhere just as this game suites their needs, you keep trying to tell them this game would be so much better and would tap its "true potential" if they just give you what you want, but what dose that mean to them? How is taking something even small away from themselves for content they have no interest in better the game for them? It dose not.

You're asking them to take something they like and alter part of it into something they do not, it's not surprising you'd get push back more so when you're telling them the 90% of the game they enjoy is irreverent to you while your 10% should be increased at the cost of theirs when there are games that already cater better to you and worse to them, but they are not there asking for it to suite them but you are here telling them to suite you.

I have already been unsubbing once I have full savage gear, and it hurts my heart every time. I do not like WoW, and I've not heard of any other MMO having proper endgame, so that leaves me with NOTHING. I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in. The way I see it, they'd barely be taking anything away from the casual crowd to expand endgame, because I keep hearing you guys are drowning in content. I guess that's where we differ. Because I feel if they even took 5% of your casual content away to divert those resources to endgame, hardly anyone would unsub because they have so much content already, but they can finally give the starving raiders more to do, keeping subs like me in the process, and attracting other raiders to this game...

[BlitzAceRush]

I have already been unsubbing once I have full savage gear, and it hurts my heart every time. I do not like WoW, and I've not heard of any other MMO having proper endgame, so that leaves me with NOTHING. I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in. The way I see it, they'd barely be taking anything away from the casual crowd to expand endgame, because I keep hearing you guys are drowning in content. I guess that's where we differ. Because I feel if they even took 5% of your casual content away to divert those resources to endgame, hardly anyone would unsub because they have so much content already, but they can finally give the starving raiders more to do, keeping subs like me in the process, and attracting other raiders to this game...

Yet as I pointed out, the game keeps growing doing what it's doing now, I know you say it'll keep you and attract raiders but that would have to be better than their current growth otherwise its a loss as simply changing nothing would have brought them better results.

it's also not as simple as take 5% from the casuals as Yoshi has said in regards to the Mythic+ question, it's about having enough of the right kinds of staff, people with the right skills and experience.
For example them cancelling the 3rd Ultimate early on lead to resources being available to create BA.
Now reverse that, lets say they gave you guys a second full savage raid, or your Mythic+ but as there are only a few people on their team who can do that level of content they were pulled off what they would have been working on, say the 3rd alliance raid now it's only "1" raid a small price to pay for a whole second savage raid or a full mythic plus system. However that's a whole piece of content sacrificed by the many, for the few, it's understandable they'd not be OK with that.

You also say you want a home, yet you've picked one of the most easy going and casual MMO's on the market to try and make your endgame stand. You say you don't like WoW but it is more suited for what you're asking for, as are other MMO's 14 very much isn't i's never prided itself on massive long lasting endgame content, even back in ARR with coil it was still one raid do it for the week and done.

You're not looking for a home in 14, it's more like you've rented a room in someone else's and then are trying to redecorate some of their rooms claiming "This could be my home too, if you just let me make some of it to my liking even though I knew going in that I was just getting the room."

[Jojoya]

I want a home, and this could be it if they would be some effort in.

If you want to make a home out of a MMO, you need to invest in more than just one part. It's not SE that's failing to put in effort, you are the one that isn't. You need to start playing other parts of the game if you intend it to be your home.

End game content is any content requiring a level cap job. You're the one limiting yourself here by narrowing defining what you're willing to do to just Savage Raiding and EX trials when there is a lot of other content that also requires a level 80 job. It can be argued that solo farming HW EX trials is end game content since it's not something people are likely to accomplish on anything other than a level 80 job (though I wouldn't be surprised if there are a handful of exceptionally skilled player that probably could do some of them at a lower level).

The FFXIV team has made it clear they prefer players come to the game when new content is released, enjoy what parts of it interest them, then move on and enjoy other games until new content here is released then come back to enjoy the new content. They don't actually want you making it your only and permanent home. They go far as to talk about other games they personally play and enjoy outside of FFXIV.

That's a healthy attitude for them to take and one that more players should likewise learn to embrace. No one game should consume all a person's leisure time when there are so many other things they could also be experiencing.

SE is making the amount of content they feel comfortable making based on their philosophy for this game. If it's not enough for you, then it's not enough for you. That's the point you need to accept you need to also start playing other games in addition to FFXIV if you're not going to take an interest in the other content this game has to offer.

[van_arn]

Yoshi P always complained about the limited budget they had to put into the game but now that FF14 is the new WoW, I'm sure their budget will be increased to allow a crazy about of new content. I just hope it's quality and not just quantity.

They clearly put more money into the new expansion versus the cobbled-together mess that was Stormblood.

[axetotheface]

Sadly ff 14 isn't the primary focus for SE, it is still belong to "FF offline" such as FF 7 Remake or FF 16 ????, SE approach to MMO market is still very conservative

So it is not some kind of mind game that Yoshi- P won't mind you to unsub and enjoy other game and come back when the new patch hit, this is just a realistic statement No BS, even during E3 he still promote FF 7 remake

People who want more or they leave are not evil/ bad or unique even i understand it, yet every expansion the active player gradually rising and preorder seems to be on the rise

WHY ??? , the dev/ Yoshi-P is not using any BS Marketing strategy when he talk to their player base, he try to manage their expectation, which is why the community love and respect him even when the didn't like something in the game

[Qeilos]

This is the first time since ARR ive been around during one of the xpac starts but has this ever been so heavily discussed before or were people content with how its been. Im finding i have more to do than I have hours in a day but im being a gil goblin right now and between chasing ephemerals crafting all the different things stalking my markets to make sure im not being undercut I dont know what to do with myself. I like the raids we have ESPECIALLY not having trash. Ive whined about how much I hated trash in WoW for years, it just slows down the raid. I want to zone in and farm my bosses or zone in and progress my bosses im not interested in losing 20-40 minutes of our clock to inconsequential tat.