Lack of End Game Content

[Avraym]

We all know Final Fantasy has a formula for each expansion. The question is, is it enough to keep max level players sated.

Scottzone breaks down his thoughts in the below and articulates it better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPGDmkb-j8

In my opinion, Shadowbringers overall is a fantastic expansion, with rich story telling, awe inspiring visuals and songs that are pieces of art. Unfortunately, once you hit max level, have acquired your extreme and tome gears - one can find themselves asking, "Is that it?".

Eden Savage is a much needed and welcomed addition, but 4 fights don't feel like enough end game content to keep a player busy. The game feels like it needs content between Eden Normal and Eden Savage.

I know new tomes are coming out in 2 weeks, but farming old content for tomes doesn't feel like enough.

In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors.

In the interests of the games longevity and continued support of its subscribers, its a conversation worth having.

I'm interested in knowing what other players think who have experienced other MMORPGS at max level. Do you find yourself running out of things to do at max level? Obviously this excludes things like, leveling, old content etc.

If not - please provide examples of the kind of content you play at level 80 that keeps you busy.

[Nixxe]

I definitely feel like this game never really has enough content, especially if progression raiding doesn't interest you. That's why I unsub for roughly half of every expansion. Never really had that issue with WoW. If I unsubbed from WoW, it's because I was bored of WoW, not because I ran out of things I could do. It would be nice if there were more things to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath. They seem pretty content with their formula. All of the random nonsense that got added in ARR seems to have been a fluke.

[Avraym]

I definitely feel like this game never really has enough content, especially if progression raiding doesn't interest you. That's why I unsub for roughly half of every expansion. Never really had that issue with WoW. If I unsubbed from WoW, it's because I was bored of WoW, not because I ran out of things I could do. It would be nice if there were more things to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath. They seem pretty content with their formula. All of the random nonsense that got added in ARR seems to have been a fluke.

Exactly! Take WoW for example.. I never really found farming azerite or world quests to be "thrilling". But i was kept busy and entertained.

Mythics provided a new way to keep old content fresh and challenging, whilst providing rewards that were relevant for the efforts put in.

This all end game content that outside outside of raiding.

You could still progress your character, everyday with your friends or alone, little by little. And that keeps a lot of players subscribed.

[Forever_Learning]

Exactly! Take WoW for example.. I never really found farming azerite or world quests to be "thrilling". But i was kept busy and entertained.

Mythics provided a new way to keep old content fresh and challenging, whilst providing rewards that were relevant for the efforts put in.

This all end game content that outside outside of raiding.

You could still progress your character, everyday with your friends or alone, little by little. And that keeps a lot of players subscribed.

Someone who knows WoW well seriously needs to put you in your place.

Listen Buddy, WoW is dying and BFA is a dead expansion.

It's just plan PATHETIC that you would come here and cheer Azerite, which the devs have already thrown out it was so hated, and World quests?!??!

Are you a masachist?

Dear FF players, you know the beast dailies you do for 30 days or so - how would you like to do them every day, for the entire expansions?

No, the quests don't change, it's the same boring quests all expansion, but you have to do them because they are necessary rather than just cosmetic rewards.

Dude, people hate world quests with a passion, and you come here acting like they are awesome content in WoW? What is wrong with your perception of reality?

Then, you bring up mythics. The popularity of mythics is in BFA is way lower than in Legion, where the meta is so strong that roughly 50% of all jobs are never invited and have to find other mean. It doesn't make things endless, as you say. 95% of people who them just do them to +10, and stop, because that's where the gear stops. Then you say the rewards are relevant for the efforts put in??? LOL - You have GOT TO BE JOKING I am laughing so hard.

You know all those tomes you got, so quickly? How about we change it so it's only a 50% chance of dropping, and then only 33% chance is the token for you chosen job, and then additional 10% chance the gear is actually optimal for your job? Not to mention that every drop in the game is based on three factors of RNG (item level, socket, tertiary stat), which is applied even to world quests, so you can have two people do the same thing, get different rewards, or have someone do much less effort, and obtain a stronger reward than someone doing something harder! At least in this game the reward matches the time put in - which is why you have so many tomes.

Finally, how convenient for you to leave out islands expeditions, warfronts, specifically made for Eng-game - which everyone hates and calls the worst content ever!

Regarding Scottzone, you can't criticize FF14 normal raids, which are the equivalent of LFR, and say FF raising is in trouble.

If someone did LFR in WoW, rather than end-game raid, and stated they were concerned about raiding in WoW, everyone in WoW would laugh at that person too. Oh wow - the casual raid content wasn't enough for the hard core raider, what a surprise!

[dapperfaffer]

Exactly! Take WoW for example.. I never really found farming azerite or world quests to be "thrilling". But i was kept busy and entertained.

Mythics provided a new way to keep old content fresh and challenging, whilst providing rewards that were relevant for the efforts put in.

This all end game content that outside outside of raiding.

You could still progress your character, everyday with your friends or alone, little by little. And that keeps a lot of players subscribed.

Yea that Azerite grind was so entertaining it entertained the game into people leaving at the same rate they did in WoD.

[CazzT]

Exactly! Take WoW for example..

No. WoW is not a good example to look up to. Maybe ten years ago it was, but definitely not within the last five years.

[Nariel]

No. WoW is not a good example to look up to. Maybe ten years ago it was, but definitely not within the last five years.

Sure it is, its a perfect exemple of what they shouldn't do no matter what.

[Kaitoo]

No. WoW is not a good example to look up to. Maybe ten years ago it was, but definitely not within the last five years.

everything this game good
everything other game bad!

[CazzT]

Sure it is, its a perfect exemple of what they shouldn't do no matter what.

LOL touche.

everything this game good
everything other game bad!

Two things...

1 - When the shoe fits.
2 - In this case it's not that simple. But I can't say I'm surprised there's someone trying to oversimplify it to throw out that subtle insult. Especially considering I pointed out that WoW used to be a game worthy of taking ideas from.