Lack of End Game Content

[Forever_Learning]

I've been here since 1.0 aswell. Could you please allude to what end game content keeps you busy and entertained?

You said world quests kept you busy, but they weren't thrilling - no, they aren't.

Yet, here you are championing a non-fun activity just because it kept you busy?

It seems you have a narrow frame of thinking. You do things that you don't enjoy (world quests) because someone has told you to do them on a strict path called end-game; unable to deviate from this path and make your own path forward.

Worse, when people tell you what they have planned their future, based on what they find fun, you tell them it doesn't count, it's not true end-game.

No, that's your narrow view of end-game that you maybe inhereted from WoW. You basically need some developer to tell you what to do, or supply you with enough work to do, like infinite beast daily quests that last the entire expansion and never stop being relevant (especially when the good rewards come in boxes).

Original WoW had barely any end-game content, it was largely all about 1-60, yet was extremely popular. Why? If you look at what people were doing, the videos created, they were't all hard core raiders, nor all going after item level and gear, the overwhelming were just being casual and gooffing off. Vanilla was the most casual-friendly expansion. People would just grind because it was done while chatting in-game.


For those people, MMOs aren't simply games with an end goal (that's your self-imposed mentality). Rather, MMOs are separate game universes (why they get called RPGs) where people live out their fantasy of being someone different in a made-up world away from the problems of earth. Those people will stay subscribed FOREVER, and need very little end-game content to remain sustained, which is how FF14 has been able to steadily grow over the years to the point where WoW players admit it's a competitor. People remain in FF and continue playing because they are much more social than an WoW, doing group activities that are often unrelated to gear.

You sound like a WoW developer, telling people how they should be having fun.

Bottom-Line: Don't ask for the implementation of things into FF that have led to the worst received WoW expansions ever, leading to probably more sub-loss than ever before. No on here is asking if FF is dying.

Second: We discuss filler bosses in WoW all the time. Increasingly, raids have many bosses, but only four, or just the final one, is an actual challenge in the raid.

FF aims to have each boss in a raid be good quality and challenging, not three easy ones and one tough one. Palace has more bosses, but people still beat normal in a day because most of the bosses are just filler to pass the time.

That's basically what you are asking for: Brainless, non-fun infinite content that you never stop doing. Many people here don't care for brainless non-fun infinite content.

Ref: Eureka

[kidalutz]

The title and question referered to end game. Content at level 80. Lets breakdown your list:

• Collecting all mounts - Yes, Extreme Titania and Innocence mount farming counts.
• Collecting all barding - Yes, Extreme Titania and Innocence bard farming counts.
• Collecting all minions - Yes, This counts down to lvl 80 FATEs.
• Collecting all achievements
• GoldSaucer - Can be done at level 30.
• Leveling all classes - Leveling progression isn't end game, thats literally the opposite.
• Completing the Fishing Log -
• Completing the Sightseeing Log - Can be done 70 and below
• Breeding the perfect racing chocobo - Can be done at 30
• Maximizing my companion Chocobo - Can be done at 30
• Collecting all costumes - I'm assuming transmorg
• Collecting all Titles
• Clearing POTD solo - Can be done at 60
• Clearing HoH solo - Can be done at 70
• Finishing all crafting logs - Leveling progession
• Finishing all beast tribes - Done at 70 and below
• Finishing Eureka - Done at 70 and below

A lot of your suggestions are for dated content that pre exists since the expansion.

It's not relevant to the question or title - most of us have finished dated content.

We're talking about level 80 end game content, new to shadowbringers.

I can see why you're , since you made no genuine attempt to read the title or question.

I think you feel the need to be entertained constantly that said it hasnt even been a month and you're crawling on the walls asking for more and more it takes some time to get things moving for some people. the fact that theres such a steady pace going for content including story dungeouns raids trials and alliance raids should be more than enough to tell you they do try to take care of thier customer base at endgame but they also try to ensure that it goes equally across thier consumer base not just the grind monkeys I for one am fine with the pace it gives me time to gear out take in everything do my A and S rank Hunts get gear for my future level 80s grind out the rest of my FATEs and the like all while occassionally trying for Titanya EX I dont know I guess I'm weird in the fact that I dont feel that I need to ingest everything available to me in one day.

[Nixxe]

Realy and what?
After i reach level 60 with my Shadowpriest i played BGs up to Rank 12.
13 and 14 was only 4 24/7 and MC was not a Option,
so i quit WoW for ever because there was nothing to do.

...

Is this a serious response? You got bored of WoW over a decade ago because you only engaged with a small sliver of content and that's supposed to be relevant to this discussion? That's how the people who run out of content in WoW always are: They want to do one very specific activity in a game that always meant for players to engage with a broad array of activity. Players like that aren't cut out for MMORPGs and should focus on buying the latest release of their preferred franchise in their preferred genre.

[xbahax92]

I actually thought Eureka would be that kind of content that would make us grind for things for a bit longer than a week. Like in FF11? There you would of grinded for a long time to get your relic and feel rewarded after that. But sadly... Eureka was created as a mind-numbing "kill X amount of mobs" content and then got changed by the community into the FATE training to make it more endurable.
I believe what we really need is a really long quest chain that rewards us with a good iLVL relic worth the effort and time. But I dont see it coming. Why? Because SE/Devs love to give us small crumbles on each patch. Instead of quests lasting throughout the whole expansion we get "a new step" which is farmed/can be farmed within a week.

[Joven]

I mean - the thread title does say end game content :P

The game offers a LOT of non end game content, like what you mentioned, but this is a discussion specifically for max level content.

But thank you for giving examples. Other opinions are always valued.

I'll never understand why people refer to the max level raids as 'end game content'. It's an MMO, as long as there is something to do and the game is still being supported by the developers then the game never ends. Saying that Savage and Ultimate raids are the end game implies that there's nothing else to do and the game is over once you finish those, which is untrue. As Valkyrie_Lenneth said, there's tons of content to do outside of just raids.

[CorbinDallas]

I actually thought Eureka would be that kind of content that would make us grind for things for a bit longer than a week. Like in FF11? There you would of grinded for a long time to get your relic and feel rewarded after that. But sadly... Eureka was created as a mind-numbing "kill X amount of mobs" content and then got changed by the community into the FATE training to make it more endurable.
I believe what we really need is a really long quest chain that rewards us with a good iLVL relic worth the effort and time. But I dont see it coming. Why? Because SE/Devs love to give us small crumbles on each patch. Instead of quests lasting throughout the whole expansion we get "a new step" which is farmed/can be farmed within a week.

They need to give us it in parts though. Look at it this way, they take your suggestion and give us a really long, grindy quest chain, and it rewards an i480 weapon. There are a subset of players who will get that finished in record time, now have nothing to do and complain that they're done, to top it off have the best weapon in the game.

Look at every other relic we've had so far, there has always been a bunch of people who complete it in less than a week. What you're asking for is essentially the entire Zodiac Weapon quest line to be released at the start of the expansion in one big dump. Imagine if ARR just launched, you're working your way to level cap, enjoying the ride, and within the month there are people running around with i135 Zeta weapons completely dominating all content.

[Nerfworthy]

The following statements are my opinions only! I like getting fed smaller bits of content more frequently (3 month consistent patch cycle) as opposed to WoW's "formula" (quotes because of its inconsistency) of potentially huge content patches, but they span sometimes 6 months or more where we get a content drought. I've lived those droughts, they are not fun.

[LilySkye]

We all know Final Fantasy has a formula for each expansion. The question is, is it enough to keep max level players sated.

Scottzone breaks down his thoughts in the below and articulates it better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPGDmkb-j8

In my opinion, Shadowbringers overall is a fantastic expansion, with rich story telling, awe inspiring visuals and songs that are pieces of art. Unfortunately, once you hit max level, have acquired your extreme and tome gears - one can find themselves asking, "Is that it?".

Eden Savage is a much needed and welcomed addition, but 4 fights don't feel like enough end game content to keep a player busy. The game feels like it needs content between Eden Normal and Eden Savage.

I know new tomes are coming out in 2 weeks, but farming old content for tomes doesn't feel like enough.

In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors.

In the interests of the games longevity and continued support of its subscribers, its a conversation worth having.

I'm interested in knowing what other players think who have experienced other MMORPGS at max level. Do you find yourself running out of things to do at max level? Obviously this excludes things like, leveling, old content etc.

If not - please provide examples of the kind of content you play at level 80 that keeps you busy.

I definitely feel like this game never really has enough content, especially if progression raiding doesn't interest you. That's why I unsub for roughly half of every expansion. Never really had that issue with WoW. If I unsubbed from WoW, it's because I was bored of WoW, not because I ran out of things I could do. It would be nice if there were more things to do, but I'm not going to hold my breath. They seem pretty content with their formula. All of the random nonsense that got added in ARR seems to have been a fluke.

we really need mythic plus dungeons and world quests in ffxiv ;-;

[Nerfworthy]

we really need mythic plus dungeons and world quests in ffxiv ;-;

No we don't, and we have world quests already. They are called FATEs.

[Nixxe]

we really need mythic plus dungeons and world quests in ffxiv ;-;

I don't think FFXIV designs dungeons well enough to make m+ an enjoyable experience in this game.