Lack of End Game Content

[Kaylessa]

These are the very first two sentences in the opening post:

If you don't see how broad of a topic answering that can lead to, that's your problem.

He also said "In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors."

He excludes on the road to 80 content, specifically excludes leveling other classes (so why were so many responses about leveling other classes), mentions content for max level classes multiple times, and combined with the title of this thread it was clear what he was asking. As I said before if you didn't know what he was on about after reading the title and the first post, you either have a problem with reading or you're being deliberately obtuse.

A valid potential answer to that is: Yes, FFXIV has less hardcore endgame content than what I'm used to in other MMORPG, but I find myself enjoying the non-hardcore content as well (edgame or otherwise), so I can keep myself busy doing them in between Savage tiers, especially with Ultimate added to the mix. And there are other games I play as well.

What a pity this answer was so rarely given in this thread, because as you said it's 100% valid

[linay]

What a pity this answer was so rarely given in this thread, because as you said it's 100% valid

At least it was given. Maybe rare in that exact form, but essentially most other responses that I see are mostly around similar type, only maybe more argumentative in nature.

EDIT: That's why so many responses are about leveling other classes.

[Kaylessa]

At least it was given. Maybe rare in that exact form, but essentially most other responses that I see are mostly around similar type, only maybe more argumentative in nature.

Fair enough :P

I actually gave a similar response at the top of page 88

[Hawklaser]

Because the topic is framed in asking about what's keeping you busy after reaching level cap. The responders simply disagree that only specific type of content is worthy of consideration in keeping oneself busy. And unlike some other MMORPG, your character isn't done after reaching level cap with one class. So leveling another job is a valid activity to do after reaching cap. In other MMORPG, reaching level cap with one class is it, so all the activity is funneled toward level cap, but that's not necessary for a character in FFXIV.

Let me rephrase it then. As you clearly glossed over the part of the OP that said excluding things like leveling and old content, which you just quoted by the way.

What do you do to further your endgame progress when there is no new content?

While there are plenty of things such as leveling one can do to just fill dead time in XIV, they also don't contribute to the endgame either unless you have to fill in for someone else on a raid night and thts only likely to happen if you also were intentionally geared up for those situations.
Keep in mind this is coming from an FFXI player where leveling other jobs did contribute to the endgame, as you could use them as a subjob, and different content needed different ones Rdm/Whm, Rdm/Drk, and Rdm/Nin is a wonderful example for this.

Personally my answer would be gathering/crafting if there was any challenge to the endgame that made me feel like it was worth my time to get to the level to complete it. Why gathering/crafting? I just find it relaxing plus helps keep gil on hand for various consumables might need for endgame activities if I'm not making them myself.

The vast majority of replies the OP got was go do mindless grinding for the sake of mindless grinding, and when out of mindless grinds then you can complain about a lack of content.

[Hawklaser]

A valid potential answer to that is: Yes, FFXIV has less hardcore endgame content than what I'm used to in other MMORPG, but I find myself enjoying the non-hardcore content as well (edgame or otherwise), so I can keep myself busy doing them in between Savage tiers, especially with Ultimate added to the mix. And there are other games I play as well.

This kind of answer is perfectly fine, but as you both pointed out few ever phrased it this way instead preferring the if you haven't done everything to completion don't complain phrasing. Which lead to much of the thread being unproductive.

[linay]

Let me rephrase it then. As you clearly glossed over the part of the OP that said excluding things like leveling and old content, which you just quoted by the way.

Not at all. It's one thing for the opener to say such things do not count, and it's another for the responders to agree. They can disagree and show that those activities the opener want to exclude are what's keeping them busy in the game after they reach level cap with one class.

What do you do to further your endgame progress when there is no new content?

Had that been the question asked at the start of this thread, the answer is simply: Nothing /endthread

Or, if you want a longer answer: If you're finished with current content that you want to do, then you can try to diversify and find something else to do (either in game or outside) while you wait for new content. As this is a forum meant for discussion, you tend to get the longer type of answer.

But again, that was not the question. The question was whether people are satisfied with the current endgame content. Some have said no, and some have said yes (mostly because they don't just do endgame content). Both are valid responses.

This kind of answer is perfectly fine, but as you both pointed out few ever phrased it this way instead preferring the if you haven't done everything to completion don't complain phrasing. Which lead to much of the thread being unproductive.

That's why I suggested to another poster in this thread to just not get into that line of discussion. I still say those responses are still of the same type as the answer in my example, though worded differently, because they're coming at it from a different perspective, and maybe with a less diplomatic/more passionate perspective.

That's why I said it probably would've been better if this thread was more about simply asking for a specific type of endgame content rather than complaining about nothing to do at endgame. (You might think there is no difference, but I think there could be a difference in the focus of the resulting thread and the way people might've responded.)

[MonteCristo]

I never claimed to be "hard core" however, your "well-known" site, should show that I have completed all level 80 content successfully, multiple times to receive best in slot for my main, up until the patch that was released moments ago.

Heres a quick screenshot that demonstrates I have all Tomes gear on the left, Titania weapon and all innocence accessories to debunk your opinion.



Your post just seems a poor attempt to defame, unsuccessfully I might add.

Well played /westillhaveyourback

[Nedkel]

End game content is trivial term to use. Ypu have completed everything, what else do you expect?
Go lvl up different jobs, play on gold saucer or buy a house. There are soo many possibilities in this game, and you know what they say.
Inteligent people are never bored.

[Zabuza]

End game content is trivial term to use. Ypu have completed everything, what else do you expect?
Go lvl up different jobs, play on gold saucer or buy a house. There are soo many possibilities in this game, and you know what they say.
Inteligent people are never bored.

So now implying raiders are stupid because we don't enjoy mindless grind content? Classy.

[MonteCristo]

End game content is trivial term to use. Ypu have completed everything, what else do you expect?
Go lvl up different jobs, play on gold saucer or buy a house. There are soo many possibilities in this game, and you know what they say.
Inteligent people are never bored.

Classless and borderline tasteless....you guys clearly aren't reading anything before posting at this point