Lack of End Game Content

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Anything that feeds into doing more max level content is not max level content and therefore is not part of the question. What is being asked is for more content once you reach max level, not for more content to unlock max level content. Therefore it's invalid as a response and isn't related to the question

And like I said, if he went straight to the point of asking for more specific max level PVE content, it might've framed the discussion better.

Instead, the first post was filled with questions and/or comments that can be responded either by people who are content with farming old content for tomes (which would count as endgame content for this game because it's not something you can do without reaching level cap) and/or by people who disagree that only endgame content is qualified to keep you busy in a game that allows you to level all characters (including crafting and gathering) with one character and have plenty side content as well.

[Homestuckergrl]

I think that's the gripe I have. The game has all the potential in the world to offer a game that starts at end game, but restricts itself to the formula.

I know I'm super late to this party, but I'm gonna weigh in a bit here.
I get why some people were attracted to WoW. I do. But WoW was not everyone's cup of tea. Myself included. I found WoW to honestly be boring after it's first couple expacs.
And the problem with games that follow the formula of "game starts at endgame" is it encourages people to rush to the end so they can join people at endgame. They skip story! We end up with more people like LP in the game paying to skip the actual content of each expac so they can join endgame. That's not what this game is meant for. This game is meant to be savored, played at each individual player's pace, and then enjoyed at the end while we wait and prepare for story patches. If they added more endgame content, I don't want it to completely override the formula they have now.

[Avraym]

Get a VPN if you’re concerned about your ping. That said, I’m sure other Australian and Oceanic players did Ultimate just fine.

You’re on Tonberry, which is the OCE server. I doubt it’s that hard, especially since I’ve seen advertisements posted on here and reddit for English speaking statics on your Data Center.

Ohhhhh boy. Just how wrong you are. I DO use a VPN.

You are really uneducated and presumptuous about this, so let me break it down for you.
I've used Battleping, WTFast, Pingzapper. A subscription based model, which is still use today (Battleping was the most successful).
A subscription based model, which I have to pay ontop of a FFXIV EURO subscription instead of AUD (for reasons i'll never understand), for less than adequate performance to people paying less.

Battleping has proven to be the most successful for me personally, but there are still latency issues.
Latency issues, that while are reduced and allow me to do Extremes and Savages (with some difficulty on certain Savages), still isn't reduced enough to allow Ultimate's to be fees-able given how unforgiving the mechanics can be.

And I'm not alone. I've attempted to recruit a lot of friends from over Australia to join me in end game raiding.
Unfortunately, the ones that I managed to convince to push through the ARR waking sands fetch quests, found the game virtually unplayable due to latency (Titan Extreme being a big culprit).

I hate to tell you this sweetie, but VPN's aren't magic wands that magically make latency disappear.

You are on a North American data centre, I imagine the most delay you endure is under 50 ms?

But yeah,"Get a VPN if you’re concerned about your ping".

You are clearly more inclined to be argumentative than informed. It just robs you of what little credibility you have.

[HyoMinPark]

Ohhhhh boy. Just how wrong you are. I DO use a VPN.

You are really uneducated and presumptuous about this, so let me break it down for you.
I've used Battleping, WTFast, Pingzapper. A subscription based model, which is still use today (Battleping was the most successful).
A subscription based model, which I have to pay ontop of a FFXIV EURO subscription instead of AUD (for reasons i'll never understand), for less than adequate performance to people paying less.

Battleping has proven to be the most successful for me personally, but there are still latency issues.
Latency issues, that while are reduced and allow me to do Extremes and Savages (with some difficulty on certain Savages), still isn't reduced enough to allow Ultimate's to be fees-able given how unforgiving the mechanics can be.

Okay. First off, you can cool it on your tone. You can also drop the ad hominem, because that’s not how you approach a discussion or argument by attacking the person you’re talking with. So, please take a minute to calm down and actually approach this in a calmer manner, because clearly, you’re upset.

That said, have you tried out Mudfish? They have a Pay Per Traffic model where you load in a set amount of money (e.g., $10) and it only uses it while you’re playing the game and using the VPN. I use Mudfish and have since I was progging UwU, due to my ISP having some issues around that time with very high fluctuations in my latency that made some of the mechanics more difficult for me due to my ping always fluctuating. I loaded in $10 USD back in October 2018, and I still have over $7 USD left over today—and that is with me using it frequently. Almost every day that I play, which is quite often.

And I'm not alone. I've attempted to recruit a lot of friends from over Australia to join me in end game raiding.
Unfortunately, the ones that I managed to convince to push through the ARR waking sands fetch quests, found the game virtually unplayable due to latency (Titan Extreme being a big culprit).

I hate to tell you this sweetie, but VPN's aren't magic wands that magically make latency disappear.

I never said that it was a magical wand that made latency disappear. I said that it helps with latency. It also doesn’t seem like that large of a deterrent for other OCE individuals that are on Tonberry.

You are on a North American data centre, I imagine the most latency you endure is under 50 latency?

Wrong. Don’t make uneducated and presumptuous comments if you’re so quick to call others out for making the same kind of comments.

If you’re that curious, I have 98ms with a VPN. Without a VPN, I have 130ms to 150ms that fluctuates quite a lot. My latency actually increased when they moved the NA data centers from Montreal to California. But, thank you for your assumption that I have 50ms as my ping. I wish I had that.

You are clearly more inclined to be argumentative than informed. It just robs you of what little credibility you have.

What credibility I have is sufficient enough, thank you. I stand by everything I’ve said to you in this thread about the Ultimates. And, honestly, this all still seems like a bunch of excuses to complain on your part—this entire thread of 100+ is like that, which is why I dipped out before. I think I’ll dip out again, because there’s clearly no reasoning with you and I don’t want to waste any more posts on a pointless endeavor. Have a lovely patch day!

[Avraym]

Okay. First off, you can cool it on your tone. You can also drop the ad hominem, because that’s not how you approach a discussion or argument by attacking the person you’re talking with. So, please take a minute to calm down and actually approach this in a calmer manner, because clearly, you’re upset.

That said, have you tried out Mudfish? They have a Pay Per Traffic model where you load in a set amount of money (e.g., $10) and it only uses it while you’re playing the game and using the VPN. I use Mudfish and have since I was progging UwU, due to my ISP having some issues around that time with very high fluctuations in my latency that made some of the mechanics more difficult for me due to my ping always fluctuating. I loaded in $10 USD back in October 2018, and I still have over $7 USD left over today—and that is with me using it frequently. Almost every day that I play, which is quite often.

I never said that it was a magical wand that made latency disappear. I said that it helps with latency. It also doesn’t seem like that large of a deterrent for other OCE individuals that are on Tonberry.

Wrong. Don’t make uneducated and presumptuous comments if you’re so quick to call others out for making the same kind of comments.

If you’re that curious, I have 98ms with a VPN. Without a VPN, I have 130ms to 150ms that fluctuates quite a lot. My latency actually increased when they moved the NA data centers from Montreal to California. But, thank you for your assumption that I have 50ms as my ping. I wish I had that.

What credibility I have is sufficient enough, thank you. I stand by everything I’ve said to you in this thread about the Ultimates. And, honestly, this all still seems like a bunch of excuses to complain on your part—this entire thread of 100+ is like that, which is why I dipped out before. I think I’ll dip out again, because there’s clearly no reasoning with you.

Your tone is incredibly facetious and dripping in some kind of superiority complex, yet you'll remind me to check mine. Nice.

Unfortunately I haven't had as much success with that one as Battleping.

You said, if I was concerned with ping to "get a VPN". I did as such and hey guess what, still concerning. The implication that a VPN will remove all concerns is false.

At least I said - "I assume" with your ping, leading to the possibility of it being somewhat higher. Australians could only DREAM of achieving under 100 ping. If we could, maybe we'd see a higher OCE playerbase and more static groups.

You're an incredibly presumptuous, narrow minded and argumentative person, even when it comes to matters which are subjective and opinion based.

To me, that robs you of credibility.

[HyoMinPark]

Your tone is incredibly facetious and dripping in some kind of superiority complex, yet you'll remind me to check mine. Nice.

Suggesting a specific VPN? Hey look - you attempted to provide something constructive!

Unfortunately I haven't had as much success with that one as Battleping.

You said, if I was concerned with ping to "get a VPN". I did as such and hey guess what, still concerning. The implication that a VPN will remove all concerns is false.

At least I said - "I assume" with your ping, leading to the possibility of it being somewhat higher. Australians could only DREAM of achieving under 100 ping. If we could, maybe we'd see a higher OCE playerbase and more static groups.

Your attitude of lopping all end game raiders in the same group, is so silly. Thats like me saying, "Hey that casual doesn't enjoy chocobo racing, well they still have PLENTY to do".

You're an incredibly presumptuous, narrow minded and argumentative person, even when it comes to matters which are subjective and opinion based.

To me, that robs you of credibility.

The intent of all my comments have been constructive in this thread—they just directly go against your insistence of not doing any content that not’s level 80. But, thank you for you much unneeded criticism of my character. I’m certain it will further the productivity of this thread.

I’m off to go play the game and have a nice patch day. I sincerely hope you do as well. And I don’t mean that in a sarcastic or facetious manner.

[Avraym]

The intent of all my comments have been constructive in this thread—they just directly go against your insistence of not doing any content that not’s level 80. But, thank you for you much unneeded criticism of my character.

Your intentions may be received more constructively if they weren't so presumptuous.

Despite what you believe, finding an ENG speaking Ultimate static, on a JP server, without lag, within a compatible timezone isn't easy or commonplace.

Its a difficult pill to swallow from someone playing on acceptable ping, on a populated ENG speaking local server.

[foussi]

Hmm gonna reply in this thread again.
In all honesty, even if hardcore players get enough endgame content, most will probably get tired of after some months.
Its pretty much nearly impossible to create.

Its an cycle that will never end, if we get the next expansion in 2 years, the same issue will reappear.

[ForteNightshade]

Your intentions may be received more constructively if they weren't so presumptuous.

Despite what you believe, finding an ENG speaking Ultimate static, on a JP server, without lag, within a compatible timezone isn't easy or commonplace.

Its a difficult pill to swallow from someone playing on acceptable ping, on a populated ENG speaking local server.

And yet an AUS group just got World First on E1S—from Tonberry, no less. Perhaps should stop making excuses about why you can't do content or insist there isn't enough and actually do what's available. No one said finding a static that fits would be easy but the last several pages come across as one excuse after another.

[galbsadi]

Hmm gonna reply in this thread again.
In all honesty, even if hardcore players get enough endgame content, most will probably get tired of after some months.
Its pretty much nearly impossible to create.

Its an cycle that will never end, if we get the next expansion in 2 years, the same issue will reappear.

Not sure OP is even a hardcore player like such mentioned. Currently a certain well-known site that measure's people's performance for endgame fights has zero clears by OP of any content at lv80. It's technically possible that OP just didn't happen to run with anybody who was parsing ever, but more likely that they themselves are merely stirring the pot here, IMO.

Couple that with the way they're treating people who have only ever been friendly and helpful in the forums (see post immediately above yours)...and yeah, I personally think OP isn't worth even responding to anymore. Don't feed trolls and all that.