Lack of End Game Content

[Duram]

Every expansion is the same. Hit max, get decent gear pre savage, can't find a static, unsubscribe. I wish there was more to do other than savage, give me something to work towards. I do like leveling alts but that gets boring when you know once you hit max there isn't anything to do.

[DenzelVilliers]

I don't feel that game has any lack of contents at all especially at the beggining of a new Expansion pack where the amount of new objetives are up. Actually, is there any game with infinite stuff to do?, ANY GAME has limited content and after you reach at End-Game you just going to repeat the same thing over and over again.

In FFXIV i do have Achievments to do and collect some cool stuff for it, Rolettes, Primals, Raids, Savage, Alliance Raids, 29 different Jobs to Level Up and farm equipments, the best and most fun Craft system to work on it, Gathering to collect mats, Market Board stuff to make Gil, Maps, Fishing Logs, Tons of Sidequests, Gold Saucer stuff to farm like Verminions, Chocobo Racing and Triple Triad Card Collection, Tournaments, Housing, PVP isn't the best out there but you find people in 5-10 min queue at night ( ST ), and many more things to do.

Final Fantasy XIV definitively doesn't have any lack of content to me, i'm satisfy with all i have.

[AngeliouxRein]

So..what exactly are you all looking for? For them to throw in more raids? Or something completely different?

[linay]

I heard the Ishgard Restoration might be similar to Hamlet, though I don't know if that's referring specifically to DoH/DoL only or if it applies to DoW/DoM as well to a lesser degree in terms of contribution. It might be something to look forward to.

[Hawklaser]

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Horizontal progression works not because they were not balancing things, but because of a different balance perspective. In a horizontal system, a much bigger emphasis is placed on incomparables and a state of perfect imbalance. Perfect imbalance is understanding and designing around unique traits. Lets take the prior Drg/brd/mch piercing meta for example, it worked because people were taking advantage of the synergy between the classes. The response we got to that was one of lets make everything equal by removing the piercing dmg buff. The perfect imbalance response would be create other synergies(maybe give mnk a reliable source of magic dmg and a magic resist debuff for example) or introduce some more meaningful enemy resistances to break it up in addition to finding ways to improve the other synergies.

Incomparables would be things more like giving Drg a choice between +70 yalms on dragon sight so they can use it on the ranged dps that love being in the boonies and also not as likely to have it broke early due to an aoe placement, or giving their jumps a temporary immunity periord at the expense of the relocation effects which in a sense could allow for a skilled Drg to handle a sizeable number of Titania EX's lighting tether hits for example, much like how a skilled XI Drg could use Super Jump to avoid things like enemy Astral Flows. That is a choice that is not easily mathed out, and those are the bulk of the choices Horizontal systems thrived on.

If you really think about it, its the gutting of several of Sch's incomparables that got a number of them upset with the changes to the class. Much like if you took elusive jump and I can't recall if its spineshatter dive or dragonfire dive relocation effects away for no real reason, you would likely have a lot of ticked off Drgs. I'd touch on other classes as well but don't know their kits well enough to off handedly state theirs.

As long as you only think of damage as what a job brings for balance, you move more and more to everything being the same and even more at the mercy of the theory crafters number crunching.

[ForteNightshade]

Horizontal progression works not because they were not balancing things, but because of a different balance perspective. In a horizontal system, a much bigger emphasis is placed on incomparables and a state of perfect imbalance. Perfect imbalance is understanding and designing around unique traits. Lets take the prior Drg/brd/mch piercing meta for example, it worked because people were taking advantage of the synergy between the classes. The response we got to that was one of lets make everything equal by removing the piercing dmg buff. The perfect imbalance response would be create other synergies(maybe give mnk a reliable source of magic dmg and a magic resist debuff for example) or introduce some more meaningful enemy resistances to break it up in addition to finding ways to improve the other synergies.

The issue then becomes you lock specific jobs. They actually tried this before when Foe's increased spell damage and Hypercharge increased physical. What happened? Machinist wound up the "preferred" choice due to physical damage being higher in a raid. With regards to piercing, it didn't work nor was it balanced in any sense of the word. Bard and Machinist became so strong, Casters were essentially worthless in Creator. And Bard's synergy with Dragoon led to its utter dominance of the range role throughout all of Stormblood. Now lets say they made Machinist blunt damage in an attempt to create a second synergy. If we assume neither oust the Casters a second time, people will default to the better duo. Or you'll have scenarios where players feel obligated or forced to play jobs they otherwise dislike because of job synergy. A lot of Dragoons, for example, hated piercing since it meant they were locked onto the job lest they make their Bard suffer.

Incomparables would be things more like giving Drg a choice between +70 yalms on dragon sight so they can use it on the ranged dps that love being in the boonies and also not as likely to have it broke early due to an aoe placement, or giving their jumps a temporary immunity periord at the expense of the relocation effects which in a sense could allow for a skilled Drg to handle a sizeable number of Titania EX's lighting tether hits for example, much like how a skilled XI Drg could use Super Jump to avoid things like enemy Astral Flows. That is a choice that is not easily mathed out, and those are the bulk of the choices Horizontal systems thrived on.

If you really think about it, its the gutting of several of Sch's incomparables that got a number of them upset with the changes to the class. Much like if you took elusive jump and I can't recall if its spineshatter dive or dragonfire dive relocation effects away for no real reason, you would likely have a lot of ticked off Drgs. I'd touch on other classes as well but don't know their kits well enough to off handedly state theirs.

As long as you only think of damage as what a job brings for balance, you move more and more to everything being the same and even more at the mercy of the theory crafters number crunching.

The thing is, if someone becomes a tangible advantage, it also becomes mandatory. Per your example, if water elemental gear made E3S easier. There is no longer a decision. You either get that gear or you aren't going to be invited. FFXI didn't have "perfect imbalance." It had no balance whatsoever. Certain jobs were straight better in every capacity than others.

[kartana]

The lack of max level end game content is extremely apparent right now. If you don't do savage or even just pug it here and there, there is nothing else to do except doing roulettes which I don't really count as "end game content activity" and maybe eden normal if you don't have a full set already. But maybe we should accept that this game is just like that. They always say "play the new content, unsub and come back when the new patch drops".

[RoyalBeef]

If you don't do savage or even just pug it here and there, there is nothing else to do except doing roulettes which I don't really count as "end game content activity" and maybe eden normal if you don't have a full set already.

Personally I have zero incentive to do Savage. There is nothing I would need the 470 gear for that I cannot do just fine with the 460 gear I get for zero effort. I work on Savage once a week with a semi static from my FC because I have nothing better to do and it's more fun than standing around in GC waiting for GATEs to pop. The whole reward and incentive structure just feels weird. So on Tuesday I'll finally get my i460 weapon... I was hyped thinking about it 7 weeks ago, but now, after 7 weeks of "ah ah ah, only one drop per week!", it's just "meh, whatever". I'll only be doing the same stuff with it that I was already doing before anyway.

[MonteCristo]

Bump #fortheculture

[Zabuza]

Bump #fortheculture

Eh... I thought about it weeks ago but, I realized after clearing E1-E3s week 1, and E4S at the beginning of week 3, that trying to convince these forums is like yelling into a windstorm. I know somehow they think it's okay that the second hardest content in the game is that easy. I've got no fight in me left to fight against them, no life left to live...