Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

Been here since launch, still haven't run out of things to do.

There hasn't been time where I log in and have nothing to do.

Stop complaining there is no content.

There are tons of different things, some of them I'm not interested (maybe), some other I like them a lot. This game gives you a ton of different options and I never saw so much different things you can do in a single mmo. And if I still here, proof I didn't ran out of options yet.

In fact there is still too much to do in XIV

I honestly feel like there's too much to do in this game... my achievement list is pretty sad.

I am never bored. Still plenty of stuff to do and the team delivers content updates on a fairly frequent schedule. It all works out in my opinion

This thread made me get back decorating. Because once you get a house, you never run out of things to do.

As someone who works and generally only plays for a few hours in a day, there's more to do than I have time for.

At this point, I honestly have more than enough content to do and I don't even plan on doing savage (would like to, but that's a whole rant instead of a quick response).

I still have classes to level, side quests to do, lore to enjoy. I dunno about other people but there is still a ton to do, so I dont understand the "There's not enough content.".

The casuals, myself included, make our own challenges, and struggle to understand why anyone could possible get bored.

I am here since 2016 and I can't find time where adn what to do, there is so much, as other people said before me, I am never bored in Eorzea.

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.

You know what FFXIV should avoid ? Being another WoW clone.

Another problem by expecting even more end-game outside of the fact the staff don't have the ressources or would have to drain from other things people expect is who will do it. How much ressources it will cost for how many player to actualy bother with it. Keep in mind it have to worth it.


And please, don't be childish, higher up detainging the key for more budget couldn't give less of a sh*t of what happen on the forum, they want number to roll up and use as much money as they can on other project that will bring far more money than make a little portion of a MMO playerbase occupied two more weeks for close to no yield.

I'd be glad we had even more content, but I'd rather not sacrifice even more of what I have fun with for even more things I won't even bother touch. Gosh, we have already less and less new dungeon every patch for the sake of "hard" trash niche grind.

How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

[Klb600]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders on the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.



How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

This is a work of Art, well put.

Careful, they might think you're being unreasonable while they brag about the plethora of content they have to do. Obviously you have to like what they do, and if you don't you need to leave and go back to WoW where you came from! We don't need you here!

The "friendly and understanding" FFXIV community in a nutshell. They brag about how nice of a community they are but that is only if you subscribe to their belief. Deviate from any view of the game that they share and be prepared to be crucified.

[Forever_Learning]

How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows.

I heard the same argument during ARR, when it launched at the end of MoP.

Since then, the playerbase of WoW has dwindled while FF14 continues to steadily increase bit by bit. It's currently discussed far more than say GW2, SWTOR, or Wildstar (RIP).

Maybe, just maybe, part of the success of FF14 is being it's own type of MMO. It doesn't try to be something for everyone, but rather, it does cater a bit more to the so-called casual audience.

and here's the kicker - maybe that's ok.

People who are happy with the game, a population that steadily keep increasing, keeps repeating the same mantra: "Im ok, if you aren't, there are other games" and they aren"t interested in changing the structure of the game cause it works for them.

Games with a different aesthetic (EOS) or a different gear structure (WoW) can exist to cater to different audiences, and that's ok. There doesn't need to be ONE MMO that caters to everyone on the planet that wants to play an MMO.

Like, you don't need to go to Disney and tell them their park would sell more tickets if their was more violence and roller coasters. They are fine, and maybe another park would suit your taste better?

Some people are like that girl who demanded french fries at Taco Bell.

[testname]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.



How many people do you think quit every patch cycle? How many of those people do you think are raiders? Now let's say 200k people quit, for 4 months each 6 month patch cycle. 12$ per person, let's say. You just missed out on nearly 10 million dollars over that period that you could have made if you simply added a bit more hardcore/midcore content to keep that group around. How much that would cost to implement? I doubt 10 million, but who knows. In the end, giving the game more raiding content would pull in new people too who are unhappy with WoW, increasing the subscriber base even more. Plus Twitch viewers to give the game even more exposure. If you notice, the amount of twitch viewers for this game jump when Savage and Ultimate are released, then drop sharply thereafter. More exposure also means more subs, more money. More resources to invest in the future into both casual and hardcore content. More health and strength for the game. But no, casuals don't want it just because there might be content that they are unable to beat.

Casual? I got all I wanted from Extrime and I am ready for savage thing, so Cheers mate, if that is casual to you so be it

[Vercinotrix]

The casual playerbase in a nutshell, who literally has more content than they know what to do with, is rallying against raiders having any more content. Then they claim they have nothing against us. Lol! You then claim raiders are the ones looking down on you? You are the ones who benefit in this game, and you still try to keep us in our hole of sparse content.

Why is it every single time I get quoted in this thread it's the same accusation?

I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself, especially since literally the post before this I say yet again every community of FFXIV deserves more content and the devs need more of a budget and manpower to make it happen.

It's getting to the point where "Go play something else" is actually becoming the easier thing to say. Do I need to litter my posts with "IMO, in my opinion, personally" like I have to do on reddit so people don't get offended?

This thread literally spawned out of a twitch streamer/youtuber saying he isn't satisfied with the amount of end-game content (when he meant specficially raid content) and then asks his viewers if they are. People saying they're satisfied with the content and suggesting you can do something else between content drops isn't a personal attack, yet it seems most of the "hardcore" crowd that's showing up to this thread is getting offended by other people being satisfied and happy.

Yeah, sure, some people don't want more savage content because they won't do it for a myriad of reasons. Some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them. On the flipside when others have come up with a way to entertain themselves and suggest it for you "hardcore" players to do you snap back with "THAT'S NOT ENDGAME CONTENT". People on both sides are twisting into something it hasn't been since it started on twitch. Even the guy who spawned it all twisted it immediately into something it's not because what end-game content is completely subjective from person to person as we can see throughout the entire thread.

Now that people have been yelling and arguing for 50+ pages we've gotten to the point that people are just turning spiteful on one another.

[Zabuza]

Why is it every single time I get quoted in this thread it's the same accusation?

I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself, especially since literally the post before this I say yet again every community of FFXIV deserves more content and the devs need more of a budget and manpower to make it happen.

It's getting to the point where "Go play something else" is actually becoming the easier thing to say. Do I need to litter my posts with "IMO, in my opinion, personally" like I have to do on reddit so people don't get offended?

This thread literally spawned out of a twitch streamer/youtuber saying he isn't satisfied with the amount of end-game content (when he meant specficially raid content) and then asks his viewers if they are. People saying they're satisfied with the content and suggesting you can do something else between content drops isn't a personal attack, yet it seems most of the "hardcore" crowd that's showing up to this thread is getting offended by other people being satisfied and happy.

Yeah, sure, some people don't want more savage content because they won't do it for a myriad of reasons. Some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them. On the flipside when others have come up with a way to entertain themselves and suggest it for you "hardcore" players to do you snap back with "THAT'S NOT ENDGAME CONTENT". People on both sides are twisting into something it hasn't been since it started on twitch. Even the guy who spawned it all twisted it immediately into something it's not because what end-game content is completely subjective from person to person as we can see throughout the entire thread.

Now that people have been yelling and arguing for 50+ pages we've gotten to the point that people are just turning spiteful on one another.

I am glad the casuals are satisfied and happy. Why can't casuals want the raid crowd to be happy? You yourself just said 'some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them.' If they don't enjoy them, then they don't have to do them? That means they also have no reason to interfere with people who do want there to be more raid bosses. If I am cool with casuals being happy, why can't they support raiders being happy? You don't see me telling SE not to create glamour and mini-game stuff just because I don't enjoy it. I could care less. I just won't do it because I don't want to. Just like they don't have to touch raids if they don't want to.

It's nice that you have suggested alternate ways for us to try to have fun with what exists, but we have stated that challenging content is what we enjoy. Glamour, housing, achievements, collectables, this stuff is not challenging nor fun for me. I guess that's what really gets me, because not wanting content created just because it's not something you would do, even when you already have your own stuff to do, is pretty selfish to me, and does it make it seem like some people want to spite raiders(I'm speaking in general not targeting this at you directly.)

[Vercinotrix]

I am glad the casuals are satisfied and happy. Why can't casuals want the raid crowd to be happy? You yourself just said 'some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them.' If they don't enjoy them, then they don't have to do them? That means they also have no reason to interfere with people who do want there to be more raid bosses. If I am cool with casuals being happy, why can't they support raiders being happy?

Honestly? I can't answer that. I have my assumptions. Spite and revenge from a bad experience doing it? Are they just in a bad mood, jimmies rustled? I really can't say for certainty. What I can say, is who honestly cares what they think? People aren't gonna support things they view as taking away from them first and foremost, secondly expecting a player-base that wouldn't enjoy the content be supportive of those who do is near asinine. We live in a selfish world, no sense acting like we don't. Appealing to other players won't get you more of the content you love, at least not immediately. Hell look at the support male viera and female hrothgar get, and that's still a "No until it won't take away time to develop other content".

Hope one of the youtubers or streamers who raid for their primary game-play ask for more of it, it seems that's all companies care about anymore is epic "content creators" or twitch streamers and bend over backward to accommodate them. They even get interviews. (albeit mostly softball or fluff questions lmao)

On the flipside, saying casuals as a whole (or implying it) don't want you to have content you enjoy is disingenuous. Sure there are gonna be some people that don't, but again them saying they're satisfied and suggesting alternatives to you isn't the same as "dont add more raid bosses or more savage raids". And yeah, the salt mined from this thread will make it more prevalent. Extremes cause extremes, or so is my belief. You're never going to come up with an idea that has nothing but support for it. Even something as simple as "hey leave tank stance on the player when they level sync" was met with "lmao no".

[Jojokomoko]

I am glad the casuals are satisfied and happy. Why can't casuals want the raid crowd to be happy? You yourself just said 'some people don't want more raid bosses because they don't enjoy them.' If they don't enjoy them, then they don't have to do them? That means they also have no reason to interfere with people who do want there to be more raid bosses. If I am cool with casuals being happy, why can't they support raiders being happy? You don't see me telling SE not to create glamour and mini-game stuff just because I don't enjoy it. I could care less. I just won't do it because I don't want to. Just like they don't have to touch raids if they don't want to.

It's nice that you have suggested alternate ways for us to try to have fun with what exists, but we have stated that challenging content is what we enjoy. Glamour, housing, achievements, collectables, this stuff is not challenging nor fun for me. I guess that's what really gets me, because not wanting content created just because it's not something you would do, even when you already have your own stuff to do, is pretty selfish to me, and does it make it seem like some people want to spite raiders(I'm speaking in general not targeting this at you directly.)

I agree with you, most of the people on my friend list who have been asking for more challenging content has simply left and never return even when ShB launch. It's like a graveyard at this point.

It is obvious that the discussion on this is finished, each side of the player base simply disagrees with one another. We should just go on our separate ways.