Lack of End Game Content

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Why does the suggestion always come straight to "Play something else", instead of constructively considering, that maybe after all these years the formula is getting a bit stale. Maybe its time to add something more. The game isn't the same as it was since ARR and shouldn't confined to being as such.

Because it's the best counter to people who want the game to change to cater to them, instead of them adapting to the game or moving on to another game which already ticks all their preferred boxes.

[Kaylessa]

We all know Final Fantasy has a formula for each expansion. The question is, is it enough to keep max level players sated.

Scottzone breaks down his thoughts in the below and articulates it better than I can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJPGDmkb-j8

In my opinion, Shadowbringers overall is a fantastic expansion, with rich story telling, awe inspiring visuals and songs that are pieces of art. Unfortunately, once you hit max level, have acquired your extreme and tome gears - one can find themselves asking, "Is that it?".

Eden Savage is a much needed and welcomed addition, but 4 fights don't feel like enough end game content to keep a player busy. The game feels like it needs content between Eden Normal and Eden Savage.

I know new tomes are coming out in 2 weeks, but farming old content for tomes doesn't feel like enough.

In every other MMORPG I played, I never ran out of content to do at max level within less than two weeks of an expansion. There was always plenty to keep my max level busy and challenged.

Am I alone in wishing that we had more to keep our max level classes busy? I feel like the game offers so much "along the way to 80", but it just stops there and wants to level something else.

The game has grown substantially over the years and has definitely attracted more like minded people who are used to having plenty of options of end game content in its competitors.

In the interests of the games longevity and continued support of its subscribers, its a conversation worth having.

I'm interested in knowing what other players think who have experienced other MMORPGS at max level. Do you find yourself running out of things to do at max level? Obviously this excludes things like, leveling, old content etc.

If not - please provide examples of the kind of content you play at level 80 that keeps you busy.

Scottzone's follow up tweet:

Despite gushing about Final Fantasy for months, saying I think it does an incredible job at providing large amounts of content for a variety of players.

A small criticism on a personal feeling towards packaged raid content and people think I'm asking for WoW 2.0?

People in the community are a little bit overeager in defending every aspect of the game. There is a comparative lack of end game raiding and pointing that out about FFXIV doesn't result in the sky falling. It means the game has both strengths and weaknesses, like all games do.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Why does the suggestion always come straight to "Play something else", instead of constructively considering, that maybe after all these years the formula is getting a bit stale. Maybe its time to add something more. The game isn't the same as it was since ARR and shouldn't confined to being as such.

Because almost every other day we get a new thread of somebody complaining about something in FFXIV, and the OP very often tries to bring in another MMO (Mostly WoW) to compare. Not every MMO needs to be like WoW, and no MMO needs to be like the other. FFXIV is its own game, Let It BE its own game. That stale Formula you mention is something many of us have come to love about FFXIV. 3-5 month Patch cycles slowly releasing more content in a 2 year period until the next expansion...This Stale Formula has worked for how many years, and now FFXIV is like what, Number 2 in the MMO world? And it got that way, by being Itself.
NOT, by being WoW...or ANY other MMO.

We get alot of content to play. If you are caught up, there is ALWAYS something to do in this game.
Did all endgame and want more? WELP, gonna have to wait. This is the way of FFXIV. It doesn't need to change, everything is planned. If they release too much content now, we'd have less to look foreword to in the future.

[Kaylessa]

Number 2 in the MMO world? And it got that way, by being Itself.
NOT, by being WoW...or ANY other MMO.

When Yoshi-P came on to fix FFXIV in ARR, one of the first things he did was instruct the developers to play WOW to get a feeling of what an MMO is like. FFXIV was its own game (though likely not because it was based on FFXI which was inspired by Everquest), FFXIV ARR was more like WOW, they take inspiration from WOW, they cite WOW as a role model.

[Krotoan]

they take inspiration from WOW, they cite WOW as a role model.

This does not in any way mean "they copied WoW".

WoW is a great game for those who love that type of game. FFXIV is a different animal in the same safari. There are similarities sure but the focuses of both are easily identifiable different.

[Evergrey]

From the youtube vids I checked, he has played the entire story, didn't level boost his character, and did older raids in minimum ilevel. So let's be fair in criticizing here.

To be fair, alot of the anti-peon people are just FFXIV fanboys/girls who doesn't know better than to join the hate crowd with pitchforks and torches.
So it doesn't surprise me that they will put a tag on other people aswell. Because when one is ignorant they rarely do research before making a claim.

[Nihility]

they just prefer content that has a discernible beginning and end i suppose.
I've played several of the mmo's who's endgame is just an amorphous blob of grinding the same thing all day every day hoping for better numbers to show up.

I like doing my raid day and then being able to do whatever i please with the rest of my week and that's part of why i play this game in particular.
They still have achievement titles and grindfests for those that want to spend months chasing a single goal

[SturmChurro]

To be fair, alot of the anti-peon people are just FFXIV fanboys/girls who doesn't know better than to join the hate crowd with pitchforks and torches.
So it doesn't surprise me that they will put a tag on other people aswell. Because when one is ignorant they rarely do research before making a claim.

I just watched the video, or rather listened to it It's funny that the way he described criticism is exactly how it is thrown in this thread. In my post I went over what I personally do lately. There is definitly a lack of endgame, content, if there was more I would be playing my mains more. It is very hard to have a discussion on these particular forums, without your points being thrown out. I have tried it before when I criticized the leveling environment. I would like to see more endgame specific content added, but if it is, hopefully it is actually good.

[thrashette]

I like the trickle of content in this game, especially at an expansion launch. It gives people time to enjoy the expansion at their own pace. Having just the two EX primals is pretty comfy for everyone to practice the new jobs and get used to the changes to existing ones. And I like being able to prepare for Savage without feeling like there's a fire under my butt. I honestly feel like there's too much to do in this game... my achievement list is pretty sad. But I'm always hopping from one goal to the next.

[Crushnight]

From the youtube vids I checked, he has played the entire story, didn't level boost his character, and did older raids in minimum ilevel. So let's be fair in criticizing here.

I believe this is his 1st expansion launch so his perspective is skewed a bit with how much end game content there has been for the previous level caps.

But there is and has always been a lack of end-game content(lv80 only content) for FFXIV until mid way through an expansion. It is how this game is structured and doubtful it would change as that would require different patch cycles which they seem hesitant to ever do again after the 3.0 -> 3.1 delay.

That said they have been slowly working on adding more, we are going to have another dungeon with savage release which they have never done for previous X.05 releases, Ultimates in SB were a very welcome addition and its good to hear they had plans to continue making them as these also made dungeon gear relevant something no other content has been able to do outside leveling. Baldesion Arsenal while a poor implementation was really good content and brought a lot of the community together.

The big problem with all these are they are not going to be coming for patches(3 months to 1.5 years) and when you look at a base expansion it is lacking but the devs are aware and do try to add more to it should resources allow.