Lack of End Game Content

[Gwenorai]

To be fair, people have been telling the OP to go do Ultimate, which is the ultimate challenge that this game can offer. And his argument varies between “It’s not level 80 and therefore doesn’t count as endgame content” to “It’s not worth it because the weapons are irrelevant and don’t give good stats”.

Oh, then this guy is trolling or he doesn't know what he wants. Any raider worth their salt and wanting to get better at this game would at least want to give ultimate a shot. Or have it set as a goal on the road to 'improvement'.

[Avraym]

To be fair, people have been telling the OP to go do Ultimate, which is the ultimate challenge that this game can offer. And his argument varies between “It’s not level 80 and therefore doesn’t count as endgame content” to “It’s not worth it because the weapons are irrelevant and don’t give good stats”.

I've already explained why Ultimate isn't feasible for me, but heres the list:
- I'm an Australian. This means, our default ping on an English speaking server is 200+. At best, we are forced to play on a JP Server for approx 150ping-180ping. The content is already difficult, being handicapped doesn't help.
- Finding 7 other english speaking players willing to do such difficult content, in the same timezone as me as against the odds.
- Ultimate content is almost 2 years old, its not current content that many raiders are interested in.
- I unsubbed when these were released. As a returning player for ShB, I'm more interested in doing current content, not content 2 years old.
- Synced content that doesn't allow me the full access of my classes play-ability is also a deterrent.
- The rewards are purely of aesthetic/bragging value. I do understand that it's mostly about the "bragging rights" but, I'd rather set my efforts towards Eden Savage.

End game isn't entirely Ultimate, and not all people who enjoy challenging content exclusively enjoy Ultimate. EX Trials / Savage still provides challenging content, with meaningful rewards. That's more of the end game I'm interested in.

Will I attempt this time to do Ultimate content if it was released by 5.11 and I'm still subbed? Absolutely.

[HyoMinPark]

I've already explained why Ultimate isn't feasible for me, but heres the list:
- I'm an Australian. This means, our default ping on an English speaking server is 200+. At best, we are forced to play on a JP Server for approx 150ping-180ping. The content is already difficult, being handicapped doesn't help.

Get a VPN if you’re concerned about your ping. That said, I’m sure other Australian and Oceanic players did Ultimate just fine.

- Finding 7 other english speaking players willing to do such difficult content, in the same timezone as me as against the odds.

You’re on Tonberry, which is the OCE server. I doubt it’s that hard, especially since I’ve seen advertisements posted on here and reddit for English speaking statics on your Data Center.

- Ultimate content is almost 2 years old, its not current content that many raiders are interested in.

I’ve already debunked this several times. There is plenty of interest in Ultimate. You’re just refusing to see it because it contradicts this argument. The Discord I’m in literally had someone posting an advertisement for UCoB set to start 2 weeks after Eden Savage drops. Another posted an advertisement looking for a weekend Ultimate static. Before Shadowbringers dropped, when people were posting recruitment ads in the Aether Savage discords I’m in, many of them expressed a desire to recruit members to go back and clear past Ultimates and future ones. Same for the looking for static players—they wanted a group interested in doing the old fights as well as the new ones when they release. If people weren’t interested, they wouldn’t be advertising for it.

- I unsubbed when these were released. As a returning player for ShB, I'm more interested in doing current content, not content 2 years old.

Ultimate is always current and always relevant because of its sync. UCoB will be 2 years old this fall and there are still people clearing it to this day. UwU will be 2 years old in June 2020, and there are people still clearing it to this day.

- Synced content that doesn't allow me the full access of my classes play-ability is also a deterrent.

Hardly a deterrent. Jobs did not change drastically enough from level 70 to level 80 to affect Ultimate clear rates. It’s not like we’re looking at jobs at level 50, where some have a handful of skills and other don’t even have a full rotation. The developers did a really good job of keeping jobs at 70 more playable and more like their level 80 evolvements than any other prior level cap. Missing 1 or 2 skills won’t be a game breaker or make it unclearable.

- The rewards are purely of aesthetic/bragging value. I do understand that it's mostly about the "bragging rights" but, I'd rather set my efforts towards Eden Savage.

That’s fine, but the new tier won’t have nearly as much longevity as Ultimate does. Your entire thread was made as a complaint about having nothing to do, and this is something to do that is challenging, end-game content (end-game does not automatically mean level 80 only—this content stomps all over any level 80 content that will be released this expansion with the sole exception of the new Ultimates that will release). You’re just being stubborn about doing it at this point because it’s not level 80 content.

End game isn't entirely Ultimate, and not all people who enjoy challenging content exclusively enjoy Ultimate. EX Trials / Savage still provides challenging content, with meaningful rewards. That's more of the end game I'm interested in.

Implying that an Ultimate achievement in and of itself isn’t meaningful? A lot of raiders that seek a challenge go after Ultimate because it is the ultimate test of skill as a raider. As for EX trials, those haven’t been challenging since Sephirot EX; and Savage has been watered down since Midas. Which, as I already explained, was why Ultimate was made. But, like I said, you’re just being stubborn at this point.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've already explained why Ultimate isn't feasible for me, but heres the list:
- I'm an Australian. This means, our default ping on an English speaking server is 200+. At best, we are forced to play on a JP Server for approx 150ping-180ping. The content is already difficult, being handicapped doesn't help.
- Finding 7 other english speaking players willing to do such difficult content, in the same timezone as me as against the odds.
- Ultimate content is almost 2 years old, its not current content that many raiders are interested in.
- I unsubbed when these were released. As a returning player for ShB, I'm more interested in doing current content, not content 2 years old.
- Synced content that doesn't allow me the full access of my classes play-ability is also a deterrent.
- The rewards are purely of aesthetic/bragging value. I do understand that it's mostly about the "bragging rights" but, I'd rather set my efforts towards Eden Savage.

End game isn't entirely Ultimate, and not all people who enjoy challenging content exclusively enjoy Ultimate. EX Trials / Savage still provides challenging content, with meaningful rewards. That's more of the end game I'm interested in.

Will I attempt this time to do Ultimate content if it was released by 5.11 and I'm still subbed? Absolutely.

You could have started and stopped on Your Data Center. You could have gotten away with the fact your handicapped by your ping...
But Everything else is just an excuse to rationalize not doing it...

[Kaylessa]

Complete all the content in the game, with screenshots, then come back here, not before.

Probably the silliest response in this thread so far

[MonteCristo]

Probably the silliest response in this thread so far

Right....didnt even bother responding to this one

[Gwenorai]

Eh, I wouldn't go off of the crafting/gathering thing alone. My best friend has cleared both ultimates multiple times and still hasn't levelled up her crafters/gatherers because she's lazy. However, she does have a multitude of gatherers/crafters (who also raid) who do this, and thus make her gear/pots/food - whilst bullying her for being slack. Anyway, just saying that there's always a black sheep who just doesn't wanaa. And then we laugh and cry when said sheeps gear has broken so you have to leave the instance...


If the said person sees this, stop slacking.

Can't wait to wake up before the patch hits and cry as I remember all the stuff I have to craft in prep for eden savage.

[Kaylessa]

Dammit, missed being the first to post on page 100

[Adventica6]

I'll try a different slope. if the game doesn't have enough content for you then why are you subbed ? the game has more content than most mmos put together, are all your crafters/ gatherers maxed ? have every relic weapon ? didn't think so.

[Kaylessa]

I'll try a different slope. if the game doesn't have enough content for you then why are you subbed ? the game has more content than most mmos put together, are all your crafters/ gatherers maxed ? have every relic weapon ? didn't think so.

The thread is about the lack of max level content, not content in general. You keep wanting to talk about things unrelated to the topic.

Pick up a single player RPG with optional classes and you can complete the game without playing every class. If you have OCD then you can complete the game on every class if you wish, but it's not essential. Same with FFXIV, you can reach endgame without completing every job. The idea that you must be a completionist with OCD and complete every single achievement in the game before you can ask for more max level content is nonsensical, there is no logical link between the two.