Lack of End Game Content

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Its no use lol.....this thread literally confirmed my worst fears. The tribe has spoken Casual themepark content is king. No point in continuing to beat a dead horse $$$ talks...always has always will

Yeah, it's pretty awful that people want content that they enjoy and are capable of doing- how dare they.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Why aren't raiders allowed to want something from this game too, without being told to 'go back to WoW'? I'm not trying to hamper your casual gameplay experience, but there is currently no MMO I feel I can go to at the moment where I can have raids that will keep me occupied. This Savage raid thing will only be a 2 month window before it fizzles out for me. The 24 man raid won't even last a week for me. FFXI was my MMO, but they destroyed it with Abyssea. Before that, I always had challenging content to do. Now, there is nowhere to go. The casual MMORPG has taken over the market, and left no room for those who enjoy challenges. We were usurped by the casual crowd, and we get shot down for wanting a shadow of the former challenging content we had.

Well what would you want- them to put 10% of their development time into creating raids that only 1% or less of the community will do? I see a lot of raiders complaining that they aren't getting more development time, and then being mad that players who like other types of content aren't happily saying 'yes SE, please do less for us and more for them'.

The sheer amount of cockiness as you look down on players that don't have time or the skill or the organized group to do 1% challenge content is likely a big part of why, for the last decade plus that I've played MMOs at least- there's always this division.

But no, there is nothing wrong with hardcores and raiders wanting more content- there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But, you also need to realize there is nothing wrong with casual players wanting more or at least the same level of content- and casual players aren't stupid, despite how raiders tend to treat them, they realize that development resources are limited and if something gets more attention, something else gets less attention. Most casuals have played enough MMOs by now to fully realize that.

So again- there's nothing wrong with you asking for more of something you like, but stop with the pity party when other players say they want resources to go to something they like more than raids.

[Zabuza]

Well what would you want- them to put 10% of their development time into creating raids that only 1% or less of the community will do? I see a lot of raiders complaining that they aren't getting more development time, and then being mad that players who like other types of content aren't happily saying 'yes SE, please do less for us and more for them'.

The sheer amount of cockiness as you look down on players that don't have time or the skill or the organized group to do 1% challenge content is likely a big part of why, for the last decade plus that I've played MMOs at least- there's always this division.

But no, there is nothing wrong with hardcores and raiders wanting more content- there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But, you also need to realize there is nothing wrong with casual players wanting more or at least the same level of content- and casual players aren't stupid, despite how raiders tend to treat them, they realize that development resources are limited and if something gets more attention, something else gets less attention. Most casuals have played enough MMOs by now to fully realize that.

So again- there's nothing wrong with you asking for more of something you like, but stop with the pity party when other players say they want resources to go to something they like more than raids.

The same level of content? Casuals have far more content to do than raiders by a long shot.

SE has made plenty of money off of this game. There is no excuse for having the very same amount of challenging battle content as 4 years ago. Not all raiders look down on casual players. Me stating many things in this game are easy for me is not looking down on you at all. I'm sure there's something else in life that would be simple for you but difficult for me. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses...I've already said twice that I'm not looking to cripple the casual player's gameplay experiences in any way. Yet a lot of the casual crowd, instead of simply not caring that raiders are asking for more content, are actively against raiders getting more content. Are you so opposed to us having fun?

[SerLuke]

This games end game is just 4 bosses. Why can’t we have just a tiny bit of Horizontal progression. Why can’t we make difficult Deep Dungeon for example drop relevant end game gear. Why does it only have to come from savage. Can’t we get difficult things elsewhere. Or maybe make a extremely tough Gold Saucer Game, that drop relevant Gloves or something. You can save on resources and make easier versions of the same thing for people not interested in End Game.

To be fair at time of release the weapons you could get were of relevant ilvl and you still get gear tomes or at least they did before, I haven’t checked and see if you get lvl 80 tomes if running with a lvl 80 job

[Critical-Limit]

To be fair at time of release the weapons you could get were of relevant ilvl and you still get gear tomes or at least they did before, I haven’t checked and see if you get lvl 80 tomes if running with a lvl 80 job

Thanks I should have said savage tier difficulty elsewhere for same Tier rewards cuz yes it’s relevant level. But if your objective is bis. That’s something you could skip and it’s relevance is short lived. Cuz there is already something better

If your talking tomes. That’s just waiting til catch-up patch to equal raid gear. Which isn’t fun cuz it’s mostly just spamming casual content.

[ErryK]

BA was one end game content that I enjoyed doing almost on a daily basis. The place was dangerous and it was fun having 56 people coordinate how to tackle the bosses there. I think they should make more dungeons with that style (not the horrid entry conditions).

I'd love to see something like BA with replay-ability value, cuz that stuff had TONS of replay-ability value for me. Just... don't lock the relic weapon behind it, just put a mount like Ozma or something like that that's collectible, titles don't do much.

[Melichoir]

Theyre giving us NG+ so you can replay the game if you want (which I plan on doing). Beyond that, they charged me $60 for the xpac. I played the MSQ, enjoyed it thoroughly. I still have classes to level, side quests to do, lore to enjoy. I dunno about other people but there is still a ton to do, so I dont understand the "There's not enough content." I suppose if your powering through everything, not reading anything, or spending 8+ hours a day in game, yeah there's not gonna be enough. But youre gonna have to show me a game who can keep up with that rate of consumption.

I think people need to diversify their play, btw. A lot of people who get bored quick are people who only consume this game. I dont play just FFXIV, so Ive personally never run into the burn out.

[MonteCristo]

To be honest....They should rename this glamour fantasy 14 and allow all the themepark-carebear/level a million classes(for no reason but just level another one after you cap)/collect alot of pointless items type content to run wild.

Alot of this mess isnt even true final fantasy other than the name, likenesses, and settings. Real FF heads know this to be true.....say what you want be mad w/e but deep down its the truth. At this point its my loyalty to the brand that keeps me subbed in hopes "real content" will be added at some point especially given the amount time ive invested....but until then alot of this is soft and deep down i know some understand what im truly saying.

[Catwho]

I guess my problem understanding this is - when Savage comes out, and people are doing the world first race, and it takes the rest of the hardcore but non-wf race groups a full month to get through it - at which point is it enough? Even the hardcore groups only give it about a week of serious pushing to clear because after that they need to go to work, and the dance has largely been figured out and it becomes a matter of optimizing. Any more of that and it becomes content that few people have the time and resources to play.

Or do you mean more midcore endgame content, ala the 24 man raids that will drop in patch 5.1? Because honestly I can agree with that. Their attempts at including this, via Diadem and Eureka, have so far kind of fallen flat. This area definitely needs more work and maybe one of these expansion they will find something that is a challenge without requiring 16 hours of brutal gameplay to enjoy.

"End game" is such a broad concept that you need to be clear what you are actually asking for. The casuals, myself included, make our own challenges, and struggle to understand why anyone could possible get bored.