Lack of End Game Content

[Vercinotrix]

thats the most turbo casual entitled post i ever seen

How is it entitlement to enjoy what I have before me?

Minus the sentence I was going to add and forgot about; People who skip the story (took me 5 days with sleep, watching every cutscene and never wiping in MSQ instances), people who have a really good static raid team and clear content with minimal wipes, and twitch streamers who have people doing everything they can to help them clear content run out of stuff to do fast.

Where in the actual world is the entitlement?

[Kaitoo]

How is it entitlement to enjoy what I have before me?

And now you are strawmanning, i didnt quote or say anything about what you enjoy.
You assuming what the "majority" wants and it being tailored arround that is entitled.
Its like i would say "well movies should only last 40 minutes and they should not be releasing that many because i have to watch so many!"

[Vercinotrix]

And now you are strawmanning, i didnt quote or say anything about what you enjoy.
You assuming what the "majority" wants and it being tailored arround that is.
Its like i would say "well movies should only last 40 minutes and they should not be releasing that many because i have to watch so many!"

I didn't say anything about how something should be. I stated I liked the current formula and why I did, maybe try not skim-reading through posts before you reply.

And strawmanning? You quoted a particular part of my post and I asked a legitimate question about what in the actual hell you were referring to.

The only thing I assumed was there's a lot of people in similar shoes as mine, people who haven't run out of content because of various reasons. And I'd more than likely be correct considering majority of this thread is people saying they haven't run out of things to do.

Making that assumption isn't entitlement, if anything at most it could just be a biased estimate or assumption. But that's all it would be, there isn't anything entitled about my post. If anything the OP and the ones of his mind are the ones entitled, but even then I loathe to even assign that label since wanting something doesn't always equal entitlement. Stomping your feet, demanding it through strong arm methods like reputation attacks, petitions, and government force are.

[Kaitoo]

Ok, humour me. In which way would that "fuck up the raiding scene"?

fucking with raid sizes and content fucks up always the raid scene, known for 2 decades across all mmoos
Atleast i assume that you meant by "harder 24 mans" content mainly made for premade gorups

[aeoncs]

fucking with raid sizes and content fucks up always the raid scene, known for 2 decades across all mmoos
Atleast i assume that you meant by "harder 24 mans" content mainly made for premade gorups

It's like you didn't even read the post I quoted/responded to.

A savage version of 24-mans would obviously have to be less difficult from a mechanical standpoint for each player involved, so that they could be cleared more easily by PuGs or spontaneous FC/Linkshell groups; otherwise the clear-rate would be abysmally low. For example: The first fight could have the difficulty of one of the weaker Extremes (like the current ones) and then slightly increase in difficulty from boss to boss until you reach something like Shinryu Ex for the final fight.
Still, this would undoubtedly be a huge endeavour which is why, like I said, they should focus on more difficult 4-player-content for now.

[RoyalBeef]

Somehow a lot of people claim they are not interested in Endgame since they rather smell the roses, do side activities etc. but still don't want the people who get their thrills from doing Endgame content and nothing else to have more of it, for some reason. Adding Mahjong didn't bother me, it's nice for people who enjoy playing Mahjong I guess. On the other hand the people that spend their time playing Mahjong are like "omg please no, you're playing the game wrong!" when someone advocates for more Endgame content. I don't really get it ^^

[Vercinotrix]

Somehow a lot of people claim they are not interested in Endgame since they rather smell the roses, do side activities etc. but still don't want the people who get their thrills from doing Endgame content and nothing else to have more of it, for some reason. Adding Mahjong didn't bother me, it's nice for people who enjoy playing Mahjong I guess. On the other hand the people that spend their time playing Mahjong are like "omg please no" when someone advocates for more Endgame content. I don't really get it ^^

Because, by accident or intention, Yoshi's words caused people to believe that for more of type x content that's produced, they have to make less of type y content.

Now it's not limited to only this. People also disagree on what types of end-game should be added (Dungeons, raids, hard mode raids/dungeons) and what type of new systems should be introduced(Mythic+ type of system, savage dungeons, more bosses for the 8 mans. Eureka was also divisive as well.)

That and you have people's tone or extreme opinions making their counterparts more extreme.

But that's all I got for ya. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[RoyalBeef]

Because, by accident or intention, Yoshi's words caused people to believe that for more of type x content that's produced, they have to make less of type y content.

Now it's not limited to only this. People also disagree on what types of end-game should be added (Dungeons, raids, hard mode raids/dungeons) and what type of new systems should be introduced(Mythic+ type of system, savage dungeons, more bosses for the 8 mans. Eureka was also divisive as well.)

That and you have people's tone or extreme opinions making their counterparts more extreme.

But that's all I got for ya. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, the problem is probably people viewing it as a zero sum game. Actually we're all in the same boat, we want the game to do well as long as possible. So every person quitting is a loss for everyone, doesn't matter if they quit bc of a lack of casual content or bc of a lack of endgame content.

[Vercinotrix]

Yeah, the problem is probably people viewing it as a zero sum game. Actually we're all in the same boat, we want the game to do well as long as possible. So every person quitting is a loss for everyone, doesn't matter if they quit bc of a lack of casual content or bc of a lack of endgame content.

Pretty much. FFXIV is playing one hell of a juggling game to please all of the communities they have. Even the Male only Hrothgar and Female only Viera were meant to be a way to please two sets of desires was met with backlash, ranging from polite dissatisfaction to temper tantrums. And then the eternal rivalry between the casual and hardcore communities deserves a mention.

I just wish the team was slightly bigger with more of a budget and talent, that way they could expand on all types of content without having to sacrifice one thing or another if that's truly that case.

[Kaedan]

I haven't unsubbed since 1.0 and I still have content I can do.

Savage will come in a couple weeks and there won't be anything at all to complain about (logically) ... but people still will. Those that can't clear Savage will complain about lack of content until we get the Noir raid, and then they'll complain about loot lockouts, just like they're complaining about Eden loot lockouts, etc.

Those of us who have been here the whole time have already "been there, done that" for 6 years now. Record just skipped again.