Lack of End Game Content

[Zabuza]

Like, I don't understand the people who are arguing over what the definition of endgame means at this point. You KNOW what the OP was asking for, so why can't you at least acknowledge what is being asked? Why do you constantly hit him with this bogus request of asking him to level all these jobs and do all this other stuff before max level before he says anything about challenging battle content AT THE END OF THE GAME. AT THE END OF THE STORYLINE. AT THE MAX LEVEL.

This is like me telling glamour nuts to do all of the hunt achievements before they complain about glamour that they want added to this game. Those who keep making this argument to the OP sound absolutely ridiculous and seem to just want to stick their fingers in their ears while going 'lalalala, I can't hear you!'

[BlitzAceRush]

"Endgame content is stuff you do at max level with your max level character in max level content"

OK then,
Max level crafting and gather is endgame content.
Any achievement that requires you to be max level or enter a max level instance is also endgame content.
Acquiring any mount, minion or music roll that requires you to be max level or enter a max level instance is endgame content.
Hunting for glamour that requires you to be max level or enter max level content is endgame content.
Savage and normal mode are endgame content.
EX-Dungeons are endgame content.
Levelling Trusts (As you had to clear the MSQ thus gotten to max level) are endgame content.
EX-Trials are endgame content.
ShB treasure dungeon is endgame content.
ShB max level hunts are endgame content.

By 5.1.x

Eureka's replacement will be endgame content.
The Relic will be endgame content.
The 24-man raid will be endgame content.
Ultimate will be endgame content.
Plus some of the things listed above will get additions (more EX's dungeons and trials, more crafting and gathering e.c.t)


Seems like a fair amount to me.

Ironically Ultimate, the hardest, longest lasting and more challenging piece of content in the game currently is NOT endgame content for those who want challenging endgame content under this criteria.

There, I used the definition and I see a fair amount right there with more coming shortly, unless of course we get into personal preference in which case each of us could cross 90% of the things from that list as we don't wanna do them, but then it becomes a you problem not the games problem.

It's not "There's a lack of endgame content." Its "There's a lack of endgame content *I* wish to do."

[Kaylessa]

Okay, let's not redefine anything then. We're saying that "endgame" means "max level content", yes?

In WoW, there is only one max level per character. Once you're done with that, there's not much else to do that's really rewarding if you're only looking to do level-appropriate content (the so-called "endgame"). In FFXIV there are 17 combat max levels (18 if you count BLU) and 11 profession max levels on a single character. Now granted you don't have to reach max level in order to unlock the ability to level these other jobs, but the fact is that most people likely not leveling all 29 jobs concurrently, they'll finish the story with one job (reach "endgame"), and then go back and level subsequent jobs - therefore classifying leveling of alternate jobs as "endgame" content because it's something done after reach max level.

Wrong. As you said you can level all jobs simultaneously if you wish, it is not something that is unlocked at max level. Just because someone chooses to do something at max level doesn't define that content as max level content.

Leveling content is leveling content. If you are leveling you're first job, you are engaging in leveling content, if you've maxed 7 jobs and are currently leveling your eighth you are still engaging in leveling content. If you are on your maxed job and you are engaging in content unlocked at max level, then you are engaging in endgame content. You cannot engage in endgame content as a level 6 monk regardless of whether you have an 80 samurai in your kit, anyone who says you can is flat out incorrect. If you want to engage in endgame content you first have to equip your maxed level job(s)

[Kaylessa]

In contrast, if you can reach End-game by levelling your main to max level and gearing it fully, anything you do after that point is End-game content, even if it's chocobo racing.

Also wrong.

[Kaylessa]

EX-Trials are endgame content.

Ifrit extreme is max level content is it?

[BlitzAceRush]

Ifrit extreme is max level content is it?

My apologies, I didn't realise I'd have to specify for people I meant ShB ones given the criteria I was given was "Endgame content is stuff you do at max level with your max level character in max level content" Making the two current EX trials endgame content. Again, my apologies for not being more clear on that, if there's any other part of my post that you're unsure if I'm talking about current stuff from ShB in relation to endgame content, please, don't hesitate to ask.

[Kaylessa]

My apologies, I didn't realise I'd have to specify for people I meant ShB ones given the criteria I was given was "Endgame content is stuff you do at max level with your max level character in max level content" Making the two current EX trials endgame content. Again, my apologies for not being more clear on that, if there's any other part of my post that you're unsure if I'm talking about current stuff from ShB in relation to endgame content, please, don't hesitate to ask.

Given there are plenty of extreme trials but only a couple you can engage in at max level, yeah you have to specify.

Also extreme dungeons ... what are they?

EDIT: Never mind I figured it out. Expert roulette, which has 3 dungeons.

So in your post when you mention EX-trials and EX-dungeons, you meant the couple of ex trials at max level, and the 3 dungeons in the expert roulette?

[Reap00]

This thread is so very toxic. Let it go already. You are welcome to your opinion as is everyone else. You are 108 pages into this thread and absolutely nothing is resolved and it never will be.

[BlitzAceRush]

Given there are plenty of extreme trials but only a couple you can engage in at max level, yeah you have to specify.

Also extreme dungeons ... what are they?

EDIT: Never mind I figured it out. Expert roulette, which has 3 dungeons.

So in your post when you mention EX-trials and EX-dungeons, you meant the couple of ex trials at max level, and the 3 dungeons in the expert roulette?

Yes, that would be correct.

[Kaylessa]

This thread is so very toxic. Let it go already. You are welcome to your opinion as is everyone else. You are 108 pages into this thread and absolutely nothing is resolved and it never will be.

We are 108 pages into this topic because people keep intentionally mis-defining terms so they can talk about stuff not relevant to the topic. Then they hide behind "endgame is subjective". No, it isn't, it's well established in the community what the meaning of endgame is and if your opinion is contrary to that established definition then your opinion is wrong.