Dark Knight: 5.0x Feedback Thread

[Starkbeaumont]

nobody should be forced to leave the job they love bcs SE decide to R.I.P his gameplay and identity instead of do what they should, improve it.

playing a different tank is the only thing you should do to show SE your dislike. they run statistics on everything. and if the overall number of tank players stays consistent while the number of drk players goes down SE will know something is off and might actually do something.

and no they don't have to improve the job when it is fine. always keep in mind those that are satisfied now will probably not be happy after changes and take your spot on the forums while you think drk is fine.

[shao32]

playing a different tank is the only thing you should do to show SE your dislike. they run statistics on everything. and if the overall number of tank players stays consistent while the number of drk players goes down SE will know something is off and might actually do something.

and no they don't have to improve the job when it is fine. always keep in mind those that are satisfied now will probably not be happy after changes and take your spot on the forums while you think drk is fine.

im already playing GNB bcs all of this but i don't want to play GNB i wanna play DRK no a WAR copy, you argument have zero logic since this is similar to BRD on HW when all his gameplay become casting his attacks, ppl still play the job and ppl complaing that wasn't what they want despite the job doing his job properly, this is not a question if the job can or can't archive the performance they are supose to do, is about how they do this performance, and despite we ask to SE to take a aproach to HW version of the job you know the original to make everyone happy and enjoy all the job we love they just do whatever they want and now the DRK comunity is more fragmented that it was in SB bcs his stupid and braindead gameplay desing.

other thing just playing another job don't do anything bcs that can mean i just like GNB or whatever other job more and thats all, if you are disgusted with something you havge to complaing and be loud about it, DRK need a change and stop SE for making the tanks all the same.

[WhyAmIHere]

playing a different tank is the only thing you should do to show SE your dislike. they run statistics on everything. and if the overall number of tank players stays consistent while the number of drk players goes down SE will know something is off and might actually do something.

AFAIK, DRK was the least played job in SB, based on the number of logs uploaded to FFLogs. So, by that logic 5.0 DRK is a result of that, and the change to WAR in 4.2 making it have more damage and better party synergy compared to DRK.

Looking at FFLogs for current Savage and EX trials, it's WAR that's being shunned more by the playerbase, so them only referring to WAR with the live letter QnA makes sense. The gap from WAR to DRK (3rd most) in Savage is greater by far than the difference in uploaded parses comparing DRK to GNB (2nd most parses).
EX trials fares the same with WAR being further behind DRK than with how DRK trails behind the number of PLD (which has for EX trials the 2nd most uploaded).

[hatefury]

damnit, DRK really that bad?

[Shurrikhan]

damnit, DRK really that bad?

Not on the whole, no. It doesn't have the top damage at present, but it certainly has top miti and maybe even rDPS (healer GCDs saved + pDPS), and at the best responsiveness, too. It's strong and fluid.

It's just that many of us wish there was a bit more, in part because it feels like it still has so much untapped potential. We could doubtless give the same criticism of PLD, WAR, and GNB, but, apart from perhaps WAR, none of those jobs has seen more interesting days. DRK's history, especially when pointing out the best of each iteration, makes it see disproportionately more criticism than it would otherwise warrant.

If you're planning to level it from the start, though... I might suggest one of the other tanks. Pre-70, or at least pre-64, DRK feels... really empty. Not that much worse than the rest, but enough to be noticeable, especially over the HW span.

[LegolasT]

I heavly disagree with the original post! By far DRK is the least squashed tank right now period. Ask any healer in endgame content and dungeon and they will tell you DRK requires way less healing. A squishy tank is a tank that needs to be healed consistently and DRK isn't that. Second I do kinda agree with TBN being adjusted, I think the way they visioned the move as a counter attack cool down but with it costing the same as using edge or flood It doesnt become rewarding. I say they just make it cheaper to use TBN which I know they need to be careful with that since if they make TBN too cheap or free it will make DRK simply OP since TBN In my opinion is the strongest cool down for the tanks. DPS the tanks are extremely balanced I mean it's hard for me as a DRK main to ask for more DPS I think maybe a tweak to WAR and DRK would be good. For DRK maybe make blood weapon increase damage 10% on top of darkside or make darkside do 20% increase in damage would be solid. I don't think potencies need to be adjusted much if at all since DRK has about 3 burst windows( delirum, blood weapon, and living shadow). Last the argument for delirum I think is great with DRK I don't care much for the HW iteration nor SB. This version by far is better and this is in my opinion. I believe there is a reason they did this to DRK cough cough WAR rework incoming (my guess). I personally think WAR is simply boring.

Last to be honest I really don't get this 123 combo conversation if you play all the tanks in endgame content I play DRK and GNB personally. It's all the same 123 combo as the base Rotation. I don't understand how DRK is so different besides it blantly saying it's just 123. When actually playing DRK not just looking at the job guide DRK is very flexible rotation tank. There can be many combinations of 12453 with weaves of bloodspiller and edge/flood and carve and spit I mean there is much more. If your playing DRK and mindlessly just doing 123 then one your simply arnt playing the job right. When I raid with DRK besides my opener I'm rarely just doing 123.

[LegolasT]

I would say one thiing I am pissed with SE is that GNB is a HW drk clone camouflage and Sonic break is basically dark dance and scourge... Now I care little.for dark dance since lore wise it makes more sense on a GNB. But Sonic break is the scourge DRK should have never lost. It's one of the reasons I hated stormblood DRK and liked HW drk even though it was a very clunky version. Scourge was a solid move and makes more sense on DRK then GNB.

[Dragonkat]

Regarding squish

Thank TBN, but it's turned DRK into a one trick pony with a case of function =/= fun after the rest of the class was gutted. The numbers are the best hand down for raid mitigation against large hits. But this veers right into my personal pet peeve of how 5% of the content tries to balance the other 95% It feels at points that the "hardcore" raiders have way more of a voice than casuals, and yes to me that is a problem.

That and it doesn't change the fact TBN has gone from a high risk high reward power (blood gauge for that free quietus to get your mp back after using AD and DA to keep yourself up in large pulls) to a neutral at best and dps loss at worst power costing far more resource now then previously, and it's mitigation is either an overcap if trash mobs can't break it via good gear or other sources, or a may as well not bother since you can just edge or flood off the bat, get your dps boost, and have healers do this crazy thing called heal. almost like it's their role or something instead of jumping on the dps bandwagon like everything else. [/sarcasm]

If a healer likes DRK because the shield gives them more time to dps (answers i've heard elsewhere to this) then that right there should be the red flag that something's gone amiss in core game/role design.

regarding the 123

A GNB has a multitude of options after, danger zone and burst strike. Gnashing fang combo if not on CD. Weaving in the dots and lunges.

DRK has edge or flood, with the occasional carve and spit. End of list. Delirium doesn't count because if you aren't doing five BS during it you're not *spit* "optimizing your DPS" since thats all the rage these days *waves to the new AST balance bots*

God what I wouldn't give for the old version and to have blood price back while we're on the topic of risk vs reward. That or drop this wanna be warrior crap and give us a blood weapon extend so we can actually get a decent mp regen window.

And from my own practice DRK at best can get seven 3000 mp spenders out burning BW and Delirium before being tapped assuming a spender after every 123. GNB get it for free and are only limited by cooldowns. GNB's two step aoe also gets them more oomph with a charge over the paltry 600 mp and 20 blood stalwart soul gives, blood being frankly useless now with quietus having it's mp regen nerfed into oblivion while BS is is the same as ever, a little extra dps now and again, whoopie... And GNB needs a lot less levels to do it on top of all of that.

So no, DRK is not in a good place right now, unless you enjoy being a TBN bot for savage content all day while waiting for your GCDs to come back up, since virtually every other power now is removed, on an absurdly long cooldown (hi new AD) or just useless from the nerfs.

[jetfire117]

I would say one thiing I am pissed with SE is that GNB is a HW drk clone camouflage and Sonic break is basically dark dance and scourge... Now I care little.for dark dance since lore wise it makes more sense on a GNB. But Sonic break is the scourge DRK should have never lost. It's one of the reasons I hated stormblood DRK and liked HW drk even though it was a very clunky version. Scourge was a solid move and makes more sense on DRK then GNB.

Maybe in 6.0 we'll get scourge back. I would gladly exchange salted earth for it. I miss that lightsaber sound. It does make me salty using sonic break on GNB though.