Yoshi's post about client server and cheating

[Wolfie]

Then you're going to need to state your question more clearly, because I can't seem to come to any other interpretation.

How much clearer can I be than "from a player in Japan"? Even if that wasn't clear enough, the next question has "from a player outside of Japan", so the context alone should tell you that I'm talking about two different scenarios.

[Alhanelem]

How much clearer can I be than "from a player in Japan"? Even if that wasn't clear enough, the next question has "from a player outside of Japan", so the context alone should tell you that I'm talking about two different scenarios.

Obviously, that's not where the confusion is. So you're going to have to restate your question.

I'm still not seeing where he's saying .3 seconds is one way. It's also pretty clear to me he's talking about all potential clients, not just ones in Japan. He's using a number that more or less covers all players.

①The time it takes to communicate between the client and server

　　　⇒This can take up to 0.3 seconds for transferring packets, plus the response time.

"Between client and server" can be both directions. If he was only talking about one-way communication, he would say "FROM client TO server, not BETWEEN client AND server."

[Coldfire]

Don't bother answering him anything about hacks... he obviously didn't even try to google it xD

[Alhanelem]

Don't bother answering him anything about hacks... he obviously didn't even try to google it xD

Don't bother talking to this person, because he's extremely rude.

I'm not denying that any hacks exist, I don't know where you're getting that from. However, Yoshi is completely right when he says that he cant put the client in charge of more things for the reason of preventing cheating. Every piece of information you trust the client with makes it easier to cheat. Any existing hack is based upon information that the server sends to the client and/or that the client sends to the server. You can't (easily) hack something that is kept and managed on the server.

[Richard_BG]

Don't bother talking to this person, because he's extremely rude.

Stack some more -hurt internet feelings materia brah

[Quesse]

Obviously, that's not where the confusion is. So you're going to have to restate your question.

I'm still not seeing where he's saying .3 seconds is one way. It's also pretty clear to me he's talking about all potential clients, not just ones in Japan. He's using a number that more or less covers all players.

⇒This can take up to 0.3 seconds for transferring packets, plus the response time.

"Between client and server" can be both directions. If he was only talking about one-way communication, he would say "FROM client TO server, not BETWEEN client AND server."

.3 seconds PLUS response time: .3 + response time = total time.

I just guessed reponse time to be .3 as well, which gives us .6 = 600ms which is CRAPPY.

[Dzian]

.3 seconds PLUS response time: .3 + response time = total time.

I just guessed reponse time to be .3 as well, which gives us .6 = 600ms which is CRAPPY.

LOL Dialup?

[Valmonte]

LOL Dialup?

dail up would be around 6000ms +EM+line static+ Base filtering+FBI Surveillance Center, you would time out before you ever got a return on anything.

[Wolfie]

"Between client and server" can be both directions. If he was only talking about one-way communication, he would say "FROM client TO server, not BETWEEN client AND server."

Let me reply to this since you edited it in.

"From a player in Japan" was not a reference at all to whether I was commenting on the trip being one way or round trip. It was a reference that both the client and the server were in both in the same region.

Whether the 0.3 second trip was one way or round trip is also irrelevant, because it's too damn high. Round trip average for a game client and a dedicated, local server should not exceed 150 ms, or 0.15 seconds. Anything above that is considered slow in the gaming industry nowadays.