Reuse needs to be modified

[Nixxe]

I've already answered that twice.

But...way?

I'm not attempting to sound like anything. You simply chose to dispute my original claim that Reuse would only serve to devalue crafting materials and crafted goods, even as you parroted the basic facts of macroeconomics that should lead you to quickly conclude otherwise. In such situations it's best to make you walk through it step by step so you can arrive at the correct conclusion through your own reasoning. You sure do seem intent on making this personal though.

As for why Reuse and not maps are the problem, the answer is simple: Reuse is entirely superfluous. SE has fairly direct control over the availability of pretty much everything in the game, barring some influence stemming from player behavior, so if they want more materials in the game, they can simply increase the drop rate for those materials. It's not that there's something intrinsically worse about an indigo cloth that exists because of Reuse–any particular type of material is entirely fungible–but that it has no real reason to exist and doesn't actually help anyone worth worrying about. Since we've now established that Reuse will in fact just hasten the decrease in the equilibrium price, you may save money on materials at the start, but the consequence is that the price you can sell your stuff for drops more rapidly. As the sale price drops, so too do the raw profits generally drop, and you end up making less money per craft. However, you can't actually make crafting more efficient until several months from now when new gear comes out and makes current crafts easier, so that also means you make less gil per time spent. The money you saved on materials is extracted from you in the end by making the crafts more inefficient. With greater and cheaper material supplies, you'll generally also face more competition than normal, further depressing the price beyond what it would otherwise be at.

Since it's trivial to include Reuse in both specialist and non-specialist 2 star crafts, the effects on the economy will be widespread. The only people who will benefit from this are players whose income is largely independent of the player economy, which is to say players who only interact with it to buy and who will benefit from lower prices because it increases the purchasing power of their largely static income. Such players aren't worth considering though, because they've freely chosen to be poor, since they don't even bother to use their free retainers to sell the garbage they pick up off the ground for more than the vendor will give them.

[Callinon]

so if they want more materials in the game, they can simply increase the drop rate for those materials.

That's exactly what Reuse is. It's just a drop for the crafter, not the fighter. That's the only difference.

It's not that there's something intrinsically worse about an indigo cloth that exists because of Reuse–any particular type of material is entirely fungible–but that it has no real reason to exist and doesn't actually help anyone worth worrying about. Since we've now established that Reuse will in fact just hasten the decrease in the equilibrium price, you may save money on materials at the start, but the consequence is that the price you can sell your stuff for drops more rapidly. As the sale price drops, so too do the raw profits generally drop, and you end up making less money per craft. However, you can't actually make crafting more efficient until several months from now when new gear comes out and makes current crafts easier, so that also means you make less gil per time spent. The money you saved on materials is extracted from you in the end by making the crafts more inefficient. With greater and cheaper material supplies, you'll generally also face more competition than normal, further depressing the price beyond what it would otherwise be at.

Thank you for finally answering the question. Yes, I said it a couple times up there, Reuse is likely to decrease market values a little faster than if it didn't exist because it's another supply line. But it's absolutely no different than more chests being opened or more EX primals being killed. There's no scarcity for these materials, the game generates them on demand. The game is simply generating more of them.

Since it's trivial to include Reuse in both specialist and non-specialist 2 star crafts, the effects on the economy will be widespread. The only people who will benefit from this are players whose income is largely independent of the player economy, which is to say players who only interact with it to buy and who will benefit from lower prices because it increases the purchasing power of their largely static income. Such players aren't worth considering though, because they've freely chosen to be poor, since they don't even bother to use their free retainers to sell the garbage they pick up off the ground for more than the vendor will give them.

Trivial for you perhaps. The stats required to guarantee 100% HQ on 2* crafts are not trivial to obtain. I'd also challenge you to prove that such a player actually exists. A player who only buys and never sells (and their gil comes from... FATEs? Leves?).

[Nixxe]

There's no scarcity for these materials, the game generates them on demand.

If you think that's true, you objectively don't understand what scarcity is. Time is a finite resource that must be spent to generate these materials. It guarantees scarcity is always in play.

[Callinon]

If you think that's true, you objectively don't understand what scarcity is. Time is a finite resource that must be spent to generate these materials. It guarantees scarcity is always in play.

That's only really in play if I have to do it all myself. But there are tens of thousands of players per server doing it all the time producing these things.

The only time supply realistically dries up is when a new expansion is released and people stop doing the previous expansion's content. For instance Uznair materials are going up in price now because people aren't doing it so the supply is drying up. But during the course of an expansion, supply is effectively unlimited.

[Nixxe]

That's only really in play if I have to do it all myself. But there are tens of thousands of players per server doing it all the time producing these things.

The only time supply realistically dries up is when a new expansion is released and people stop doing the previous expansion's content. For instance Uznair materials are going up in price now because people aren't doing it so the supply is drying up. But during the course of an expansion, supply is effectively unlimited.

And each of those players is spending part of their limited time. You then spend money to purchase the fruits of their time.

Probably go retake your econ 101 course. The concepts don't seem to have really sunk in.

[Kabooa]

And each of those players is spending part of their limited time. You then spend money to purchase the fruits of their time.

Probably go retake your econ 101 course. The concepts don't seem to have really sunk in.

Econ 101 also states increased competition is good for the market, but you seem to really hate that one.

[Nixxe]

Econ 101 also states increased competition is good for the market, but you seem to really hate that one.

The environment in an MMO is fundamentally different. Increased competition in the real world is good because it promotes innovation, but in the game we're all limited to producing identical goods in a more or less identical fashion. Innovation isn't possible. Competition is good, but only to a certain extent. I want competition in markets for which I am a buyer and I want a monopoly for markets in which I am a seller. Of course, that's not all that unlike the real world either.

[Callinon]

Probably go retake your econ 101 course. The concepts don't seem to have really sunk in.

I just don't agree with your conclusion. That's not the same thing.

[Nixxe]

I just don't agree with your conclusion. That's not the same thing.

Your agreement really isn't a factor. This is an objective matter on which you happen to be wrong.