Reuse needs to be modified

[Plastics]

Right now Reuse is a ~30% chance to proc when quality hits 100%. The problem with this design is that if the proc fails, you can simply Reclaim and repeat this process until you get a Reuse proc. This kills the market for crafts that use rare mats from primals or maps, it also makes these mats basically worthless, which hurts combat players who use them to make gil.

With even a 20% reuse proc chance, you're statistically likely to get 2-3 end crafts out of this method, with the 30% I've observed it's 4-5.

It should instead work like Reclaim, where you just gain a chance at the end of the craft to get a mat back, and ideally it doesn't require quality to be 100% to use because it's really awkward in that spot with ingenuity.

[Kabooa]

Reclaim is a 90% success rate.

If you're killing crafts to get Reuse there's a 10% chance you still lose your mats. (And we all know how SE's 90% works out)

It's also worth noting that Reuse doesn't give you a portion back of every material.

It's meant as a bonus for those with too much CP. I don't think trying to game it will yield much fruit.

Edit: Throwing an edit in here, due to testing mentioned below.

Reuse is definitely concerning. So long as they remain aware it is in the game and move forward with it in mind, it shouldn't be too much of a problem, but it's enough of one to keep an eye on it.

[KageTokage]

Reuse seems to always return the first ingredient in a recipe, which is almost always going to be the rarest one when it comes to things like glam.

[Plastics]

Reclaim is a 90% success rate.

If you're killing crafts to get Reuse there's a 10% chance you still lose your mats. (And we all know how SE's 90% works out)

It's also worth noting that Reuse doesn't give you a portion back of every material.

It's meant as a bonus for those with too much CP. I don't think trying to game it will yield much fruit.

It's already crashed every glam market. It's profitable to do even on shirts which use 3 rare mats.

[Unaki]

It hasn't crashed anything and Reuse is definitely not anywhere near 30% success rate. Once people get their crafters geared and ready at the start of a patch things always dip, its just a normal progression of things.

[Liam_Harper]

I can see the argument for it. Reuse does feel like it's around the 20% mark at least and usually returns the first mat on the list. A 10% loss rate of materials could be worth the 20-30% gain of the rare mat involved.

[Kabooa]

Did some testing for my own information. At 30%, when using 3 materials it's on average 0 gain. (3 reuses will coincide with about 1 failure trying to game it.)

At two materials, it's questionable. You're looking at a 1.5 successes per failure. Effectively 33% increased resource stocks by trying to game it.

At one material, you're looking at an average of 3 successes per 1 failure, which increases your effective resource stocks by 75% if you try and game it.

That said, you must still use resources, and I think the overall drop in glamour price has more to do with the materials being moved subsequently to yellow scrip vendors. Summer Indigo is still going strong.

[Cleanse]

More people are hitting 80 and having the time / ability to farm maps. Overall prices are tanking because of this.

[Liam_Harper]

Can confirm you can get the Nidhogg Scale/Goddess Bead back when using Reuse on Seeing Horde/Goddess weapons. Generally Reuse seems to return the first material on the craft list, so unsure why it's different here, but it works.

I'm also unsure the proc rate for Reuse is even 20%. It's been up and down, we'll need a much larger sample size to be sure of it.

[Plastics]

It hasn't crashed anything and Reuse is definitely not anywhere near 30% success rate. Once people get their crafters geared and ready at the start of a patch things always dip, its just a normal progression of things.

I'm sure markets going from like 20 mats on an entire DC to 50 craft listings and dropping the price by 80% within a day is the normal progression. That's definitely how it works. I made 8 bardings in about 20 minutes with 1 wing, there weren't even 4 wings on my server MB and plenty of other people have been doing this.



It's funny and all, but it's broken and needs to be nerfed.