Scholar Aetherflow Issues

[Lagomorph]

This is why you're so special. It's honestly not even about reading comprehension at this point your psychosis is just so bad you put words in my mouth to make yourself feel better.
Can you find me anywhere in the world, saying you could use lustrate 9 times in 5 seconds? I never said that.

It doesn't matter what you feel like, it doesn't change the fact you don't play this game. Tell you what I'm okay with removing the cool down on indominability just for the meme, I'll use aetherflow wait til it gets off cool down, use recitation, use indominability 4 times, pop aetherflow again use it another 3 times, pop dissipation and use it another 3 times. Honestly sounds like it would make for some nice fireworks. And it would be fun to be the only healer who can put out 4,200 aoe healing in 5 seconds or less.

You suggest right here that you would use 10 indoms in 5 seconds to get 4200 potency of aoe healing. I told you this is impossible, but since you don't think so, I'm telling you that you can do something easier (9 lustrates in 5 seconds) to prove me wrong. It really isn't that hard to understand, but you can play dumb all you want and pretend you don't get it.

Anyway I won't be replying to you anymore so get your last word in.

I take it you actually tried and realized that you can't do it, huh. This is your admission that you finally recognized that the absurd claims you were making are actually impossible. When you have nothing relevant or factual left to say, all you resort to are personal insults, as you've shown throughout this thread. Bye, lol

[Hatstand]

You waited for SMN, not for SCH. And no you wouldn't make them wait under the new system, because you would be in combat. You would get kicked and black listed for doing something so dumb.

My example was hypothetical, but...

If I felt like I was going to struggle with a fight and needed all my stacks, I would absolutely ask my party to wait. Better to wait a minute than to wipe. And before you tell me that if I need all my stacks I should just be better at my job, needing those stack might not be on me. Maybe the tank is made of paper. Maybe the dps are new to the fight and don't have the mechanics down. Maybe I'm lagging out a little. I wouldn't do this unless it was necessary, and if my party started the fight anyway I'd go in and try my best, but your tone here was so needlessly hostile.

[Nethereal]

My example was hypothetical, but...

If I felt like I was going to struggle with a fight and needed all my stacks, I would absolutely ask my party to wait. Better to wait a minute than to wipe. And before you tell me that if I need all my stacks I should just be better at my job, needing those stack might not be on me. Maybe the tank is made of paper. Maybe the dps are new to the fight and don't have the mechanics down. Maybe I'm lagging out a little. I wouldn't do this unless it was necessary, and if my party started the fight anyway I'd go in and try my best, but your tone here was so needlessly hostile.

Oh you're talking dungeons. Yeah I can kinda get that. But in Ex and Savage there's only 1 pull, the boss. So if you waited it would mean not hitting the boss for 60 seconds while he's already doing mechanics lel.
Understandable.

"Hostile" is subjective, if you clarified what you were talking about I wouldn't have even felt the need to originally reply to you because I agree with you. And yes I thought you were considering something that dumb, this thread has proven many things to me.

[Hatstand]

Oh you're talking dungeons. Yeah I can kinda get that. But in Ex and Savage there's only 1 pull, the boss. So if you waited it would mean not hitting the boss for 60 seconds while he's already doing mechanics lel.
Understandable.

"Hostile" is subjective, if you clarified what you were talking about I wouldn't have even felt the need to originally reply to you because I agree with you. And yes I thought you were considering something that dumb, this thread has proven many things to me.

It was the only time I could think of having to wait on stacks, and I was trying (and am still trying) to make sense of this change.

Alas, I think we’re all rather worked up and it’s stopping us from seeing where we have common ground, which is a real pity. I’m certainly guilty of getting worked up. It’d be much better if we could compile our thoughts and suggest solutions loudly in SE’s direction. I don’t think we’ll get that, though. People care. Which is rather flattering for SE when you think about it.

[Hunky]

I agree 100%.

Scholars should have Energy Drain back, or at least a dps skill that can dump aetherflow stacks; otherwise, you might end up overhealing.

White mages are having a similar problem with lilies. With no offensive "afflatus" spell to use up our lilies, we have to sometimes overheal just to access afflatus misery, which feels like a waste to do.

[RoseyDevlin]

I think they should bring back shadowflare to use aetherflow on. I'm most annoyed by Fey Union, I use it on the tank and sometimes it works and sometimes not, during huge pulls this is grucial. Not only is it slow but having to constantly relook if it actually worked or not is rather annoying...

[Ceasaria]

If they bring back Energy Drain, better to be capable to do AoE too.

[Connor]

I still feel like an aetherflow dump that gives a buff of some kind to a single target or debuff to the enemy on a short cooldownwould be more interesting for Scholar than Energy Drain. It does the exact same thing of converting unwanted stacks to DPS, but still requires strategic use in terms of maximising the buff effect (who gets out the most out of this?) or debuff effect (which enemy do I want do debuff, what will the timing be, etc).

As for extra MP management, while I haven’t had too many issues with mp as a Scholar (mostly thanks to Recitation lol), what if they made Dissipation restore a large amount of MP (like 50% or something) to give it more weight as an ‘emergency use’ tool? Either that, or how about a DPS spell that’s on the GCD like Osmose with low potency (like 50-100), but restores mp instead of consuming it? That way Scholars can still have a damage focus if they’re low on MP. Something like that would allow it to be used more strategically than the old Energy Drain because it has to be weaved into healing rather than happening simultaneously. Like whether you want to use it immediately for a small bit of mp, or spam for lots, to prepare for using lots of Succor / Adlo, etc etc

[tikiwiki]

I still feel like an aetherflow dump that gives a buff of some kind to a single target or debuff to the enemy on a short cooldownwould be more interesting for Scholar than Energy Drain. It does the exact same thing of converting unwanted stacks to DPS, but still requires strategic use in terms of maximising the buff effect (who gets out the most out of this?) or debuff effect (which enemy do I want do debuff, what will the timing be, etc).

As for extra MP management, while I haven’t had too many issues with mp as a Scholar (mostly thanks to Recitation lol), what if they made Dissipation restore a large amount of MP (like 50% or something) to give it more weight as an ‘emergency use’ tool? Either that, or how about a DPS spell that’s on the GCD like Osmose with low potency (like 50-100), but restores mp instead of consuming it? That way Scholars can still have a damage focus if they’re low on MP. Something like that would allow it to be used more strategically than the old Energy Drain because it has to be weaved into healing rather than happening simultaneously. Like whether you want to use it immediately for a small bit of mp, or spam for lots, to prepare for using lots of Succor / Adlo, etc etc

sounds like youre suggesting the boring astro cards for sch at the top and sch doesnt have mp issues rn due to the current gear have a ridiculous amount of piety forced on it

[Connor]

sounds like youre suggesting the boring astro cards for sch at the top and sch doesnt have mp issues rn due to the current gear have a ridiculous amount of piety forced on it

It’s no more or less boring in my opinion, does the exact same as Energy Drain but a bit more interesting than just ‘press for damage’. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a direct damage increase either, there are tons of interesting kinds of utility they could add to an Aetherflow dump besides direct damage

As I said MP issues are not something I’ve come across personally but I’m aware others have said differently (though it was largely mitigated by the Art of War changes)