Scholar Aetherflow Issues

[Nethereal]

What second hand information? Career SCHs better than you and I have similar complaints to what I have expressed in this thread: they don't like Aetherflow being locked to combat, nor do they like not having a way to dump excess stacks that doesn't involve blatant overhealing. They also don't like overcapping because that's ultimately a waste of resources. It's Resource Management 101. That's the biggest two complaints I have about SCH currently. Even with only being level 73. I’ve already listed the reasons why I find the Aetherflow lock strange; I won’t list them again. And I’m not one that enjoys wasting resources, so having nothing to get rid of unused stacks is particularly grating for me—and this becomes particularly egregious when synced down, which means it’s probably roughly the same for any SCH leveling from 30 to 80. I’d have to relevel the job on another character to see if that’s truly the case, but that’s what I think currently.

My viewpoint may be from leveling—and it may be from an average SCH’s viewpoint—but I fail to see how that makes it "intellectually dishonest". I believe the word/phrase you're looking for it "uninformed" or perhaps "ill-informed due to not having the whole picture". And, as I said, maybe my opinion will change when I reach level 80. But you neglected that part of my reply.

Again, pardon me for not including skills I don't yet have available to me in my post, and pardon if I was not clear that I was still leveling (though a quick Lodestone search would have shown I wasn't level 80 yet). I didn't mention them because I have no experience with them, and I'm not sure how the SCH experience will be with them. I can only hope it gets better - which, people have said to me that it does (from this thread and from others), so hopefully my own experience will improve. That's the part that seems to have upset you the most about my personal, honest, if not entirely informed from a level 80 perspective, viewpoint of SCH and I can't understand why that is. I already mentioned that I've heard it gets better, but that some of the complaints I have posited here remain. I don't think you saw that any time that I mentioned it.

Honestly it doesn't get any better the higher you level, 74 when you get recitation is probably the highest point out of all your skills.

I re-read your original post that I replied to and read the other posts you had in this thread slowly and completely and I found nothing of you stating your opinion is subject to change or that you're not 80. all I found was that you stated specifically that it was just your opinion. Are you sure you're not confusing threads? If not could you link me to where you said in this thread that your opinion might change as you level that would be much appreciated and would warrant an apology.

Responding to Nethereal:

Because I'm too lazy to quote. Your two main points throughout this thread are everyone except you can't do math, and that healers should heal, right? On that first point, I've only seen a single pretty misguided use of numbers concerning the dps value of whm lillies throughout all your posts. It seem's like you're unaware that you can use lillies to weave for an essentially 225 potency instant cast spell. Or you can use them to move, when you can't cast glare. Or you can use them during downtime when there is no target. Or perhaps you can even hit more than one target with misery. Or maybe you just knew all of this but selectively omitted it to try to forward your point? Next, on reducing the cooldowns of aetherflow skills like another person mentioned. Let me say that I know this is not a good idea, but it has very little to do with math. Since you think that it does, though, where is your math? According to mine, if we took off all cooldowns on aetherflow skills, scholars would get a pitiful 200 more potency of aoe healing per minute. Now responding to your 2nd point that healers should heal. I see a few ways to interpret this. You might be a newer healer, who is still doesn't completely understand how the flow of encounters generally goes in this game for healers. You might be someone who doesn't actually play healers, but is posting on theses healer forums for some reason. You might be deliberately trying to provoke people. I have no idea which it is, but I will say one thing. Any experienced healer who has healed shadowbringers will tell you the same thing: there is hardly anything to heal. I should do my job and heal the team up? The job is already mostly done, and I didn't even have to do anything.

It seems you think I'm against lilies? That's not the case I know exactly what they do and what they're there for it's simply that some people don't respect the whole function of them. Specifically for down time when not having a target, those are only during transitions phases which usually last anywhere between 5 to 15 seconds which isn't enough time to even generate a lily and you'll probably have already used them and are holding a blood lily til the boss comes back, in my experience at least. With the longest time you won't have anything to hit will being around 30-40 seconds and during that time you usually won't be able to move or use any abilities because they're cutscenes, which is only one lily(30 sec). As for being able to hit multiple targets, that's honestly not worth discussing.

In theory you should be able to get off 10 casts of glare in 30 sec making the dps comparsion laughable. Going further it takes 90 seconds to get 3 lilies and another recast before you can use blood lily. Accounting for all this it's possible to get 31 casts of glare in before you even use misery if for arguments sake we say recasts are the same duration as tics. There's a reason Glare will always be your highest dps output. I don't know why you challenge this at all. Even if we were to be fair and say you spent 30 seconds dodging or healing, it still wouldn't be a contest.

Lilies strict function is to reimburse dps lost from healing. It wasn't omitted either it's just such common knowledge I felt no need to waste time typing it out.

As for your comments about aetherflow. The amount of healing per minute is irrelevant in this specific case of removing aetherflow's requirement to make choices on what to use and making it a completely free resource. It's how fast you can heal that matters. Being able to heal 2400 hp in aoe within 2 seconds is not okay and neither is being able to cast excog and sacred soil while still being able to use lustrate. As for healers should heal, it's a very literal statement, if your team is actually dying you should heal them over dpsing, simple as that.

The amount of healing required even though low when doing mechanics properly is irrelevant to the statement as a whole. Rather it seems more taken out of contex or you didn't understand how literally I meant to imply that sentence. If one of your teammates is going to die and you can either A. Use another Glare or B. Save their life, you save their life.

It also doesn't take high math skills to know how to have a constructive conversation either. It does take some literary comprehension though. You're not providing anything other than a offensive opposition, but I'll be sure to have a calculator handy whenever you're around. How about that?

And no, I was never serious about unconstrained aetherflow usage. If you knew how to read you would know my issue is with aetherflow, not its abilities. Also, CDs use the resource of time. No matter how you choose to perform your mental gymnastics, the abilities are still restricted not by one gate, but two, and that is what I have an issue with.

Anything else you would like to instruct me on today senpai?

I'm not providing anything because there's nothing to provide you can't already learn yourself if you spent the time. 10-11 minutes in general, the transition phase if you feel like it. It's not my job to educate you something that's standing infront of you simply because you can't comprehend it.

I know how to read it's just simply that you don't know how to write and you leave things open ended which allows for assumptions to be had based on common knowledge. And not using aetherflow for aetherflow abilities is unconstrained use lel. You have an issue with aetherflow but you don't with the abilities, you want to have your cake and eat it. That's not how the works.
If you have an issue with aetherflow then you need to rebalance the abilities which will no longer use it. They are indeed restricted by two gates but gates aren't resources. If you were talking about restrictions you should've typed that instead of typing "resources". Use the correct words to convey the correct message.
Nothing I can teach someone who doesn't want to teach themselves.