Sujet : BRD 5.0 Feedback, Suggestions, and Requests

Envoyé par infinitestory

• Bring back Foe Requiem, in some form.

Yes, absolutely. It was too useful a skill to drop in my opinion, really helped in those pinch situations but then again maybe some people kept accidentally drawing aggro with it which could've contributed to it's removal

Envoyé par SaitoHikari

Yeah, at first I wanted Battle Voice to affect ourselves.

Then I realized it rarely ever comes back up when we naturally enter a burst phase anyway, unless there was a long transition beforehand and we get a re-opener upon the boss being target-able again. Battle Voice being usable on ourselves turns it into Embolden - a buff that RDMs are infamous for holding halfway into their opener instead of using it immediately for the benefit of the party, because they wanted to use it purely for their personal damage.

In a full uptime fight, since it has a 180 second cooldown, it becomes available again about halfway through a Mage's Ballad. Your party will shank you if you hold Battle Voice for ~40-50 seconds just to use it with your next Wanderer's Minuet.

If Foe Requiem comes back, its usage should really be based on our MP bar once again. I imagine it'd be altered so that instead of being a mindless DPS increase buff, it instead lowers the damage of every enemy in range - a concept that, to my knowledge, doesn't yet exist among other classes (Shadow Flare/Arm's Length slow is the closest comparison to this, and those straight up don't work on bosses. And I guess Shadow Flare doesn't exist anymore, given I haven't seen anyone use it in a long time).

I admit my short sightedness in this regard. I'm pre programmed to play bard in a way that benefits my party to begin with, and had not even considered this to be used purely for "selfish" dps gains. It pretty much would be the same situation again where the "bad" bards back in the day didn't cast BV since it didn't affect them so why cast it or use Foe's because, well, whatever reason they came up to not use it. They would just switch to using it for their own gain. I'm left pondering two questions now:

Should we really be the only dps that doesn't bring a party wide buff that we gain no benefit from or can it be reworked in some way to better flow with our natural flow and party synergy?

Or

Can we just bring back Foe's since it felt like it was more of an even trade that since we didn't GET to benefit from our own Battle Voice buff we at least got to benefit from our own Foe Requiem.

Agreed on a lot of fronts. Even if our songs gave minor buffs to the whole party's DPS rather than a pure buff to the BRD only, that would be better than the current thing we have. BRD is great fun to play if you forget that they're supposed to be a DPS/Support hybrid. Amazing Ranger class, easily the worst Bard class.

Envoyé par HyoMinPark

Not necessarily. The physical ranged may all be in need of adjustments down the line—especially if the adjustments made to NIN and SAM in 5.08 and 5.1 prove to be substantial. Despite them being balanced against one another for possibly the first time ever, they are low in terms of damage contribution as it stands. BRD could honestly stand to have Foe’s return in some capacity without taking a major hit to its personal damage. Then MCH and DNC could be adjusted to be relatively equal to BRD in rDPS via personal damage buffs.

Regardless of Foe’s in the past, BRD’s personal damage had never been anything to scoff at (reliance on piercing aside). It faired extremely well in Stormblood, beating out both DRG and NIN by the time Alphascape rolled around at the higher levels of play, and was the most valued ranged DPS in the game at the time. Granted, BRD experienced a lot of power creep last expansion given the way Repertoire functioned—but the only time it has ever been substantially weak was in early Heavensward.


I personally like the idea of Foe’s being a charged-based system that uses a gauge of sort—perhaps our MP bar, since it sits there doing nothing now—that is flexible with regards to use. I’d love to see it return, and I don’t think we’d have to sacrifice a bunch of personal damage for it either.

I agree with you whole heartedly I really do, I just keep having flash backs of Yoshi-P saying last tier that giving us an Arm's Length would make us to powerful. And therefore he'd nerf our dps for it.

Envoyé par infinitestory

Agree with this, except for the first one. If BV were to get buffed, I would rather it just have a numerically bigger effect. If it affected self, it would have the same problem as RDM's Embolden. Embolden's best use, when taking the party into account, is not necessarily the same timing as its best _selfish_ use. So we have a situation where greedy or inexperienced Red Mages do what's best for themselves and end up hurting the team. Same problem would happen to BRD, which would want BV to line up with RS/Barrage windows, but 3:00 is right as a RS window is ending.

I honestly never thought about that before. It never occurred to me. With that said, I wish it still did something for us. It kind of bothers me when I'm doing solo story content or I am soloing something, I go in do the my opener, pop BV out of habit, and nothing happens.

So at least at the bare minimum, I would like some sort of change that if BV doesn't apply the buff to anyone nearby, it at least gives you something for solo content. The only issue I can really see with this is in Stone, Sea, Sky where you'd buff yourself with a something that wouldn't exist in a raid situation.