Thread: BRD 5.0 Feedback, Suggestions, and Requests

The HW questline was about a different song that turned out to not be a usable song at all, but all the same the ARR quests and even the level 80 quest are all about the flavor of songs and inspiring the forces and all that. It's certainly a lore disconnect one way or the other.

What I like about Foe w/charges, or adding charges to BV, is that if you create decision making around that sort of buff - make it more than just press the thing every three minutes - then the player 'feels' more like it's an action that they are choosing to take, rather than some obvious whatever button. You could get really fancy going down this well (imagine if BV had three 60s charges, was 10% and could be stacked up, implying that you choose how fiercely to sing when) but for a patch fix just taking something as-is and modifying it in a theoretically small way is more reasonable to hope for.

Other than fiddling with BV / returning Foe and maaaybe just making Minne = Mantra (I kind of like it as a solo buff though tbh) I don't see any clear path to enhancing the flavor/lore aspects, but I also hope SE doesn't get so caught up in that that they become blind to the other matters.

There are a myriad of ways to clean up those Muse-related QoL issues for instance, and there's not really any reason why they shouldn't. The Apex sound might have technical hurdles, and you could imagine certain "feel" concerns about BL charges, though it does seem at one point they were in the plans. EA charges feel kind of free to me honestly, but are probably wishful thinking, can't just slap charges on everything. (a charge-heavy kit as a concept could be quite cool though)

Whenever people mention the apex arrow and PP sound effect
I just realize I’m just modern day version of pavlov's dog

*reads patch notes in anticipation*
....
*pulls out violin and silently weeps*
On the plus side, my main melee alt (nin) got some much needed love at least.

Apex Arrow?

Remove it. Change Soul Gauge for new song ability called Song of Oblivion which is like an upgraded version of Foe Requiem or something.

Also, the 3 songs mode should give some sort of buffs to allies upon activation lasting for like 10-15 seconds. It doesn't have to last all the way and it doesn't have to be crit%

Yeah i can confirm that the same Sound really is a problem lol.

I hate how they left us with Minne and Paean as support skills...
I mean battle Voice is fine but why dont we get the effect as well???
If they dont give us back more support at least buff the dps a bit so we dont loose so hard vs MCH.. because lets be real Minne and Paean arent that usefull..

Paean has the porblem that in most raids debuffs cant be dispelled which makes it useless.
Minne is maybe usefull for Adlo stacks but most of the time we are busy with our procs and other stuff and cant target other players for the 20% healing.

The only skill which really matters is Battle Voice and that shouldnt put MCH 1-2k dps above us.

Let's try to keep to facts. MCH is not 1-2k ahead of Bard. Any effort to look at numbers needs to go deep enough to weed out DNC partnership, which the statistics page fails to do. In general, the three ranged appear very close in good groups as far as we're currently able to tell.

Minne is a useful button as is. It does want for some targeting macros, but healers are reporting that it's pretty handy not just for Adlo but also things like Excog or recovering a Superbolide or just a non invuln tank buster.

Agree with OP that self BV would be worse, prefer buffing BV (or Apex or something else) if it is determined that buffs are needed. imo all three ranged need small buffs, so I feel okayish suggesting QoL things that happen to buff a bit. But self BV is the last thing they should do, let us use it when it's best for the party instead of having to deal with selfish options.

Agree with Cetonis. My goal with this thread is not to whine, or to daydream about what could happen to bard in future expacs. These are practical changes that should need minimal testing that SE could implement in the very next patch, based on a wealth of high level gameplay and theorycrafting.

An additional request based on some more research:

If the boss is moving as you use Apex Arrow, either because the tank is dragging it or it's jumping (e.g. Beatific Vision), Apex Arrow can miss entirely. Please fix this too (although I hear this has been happening to Dragoons since the start of the game, so I'm less optimistic about this one).

This has probably always been a thing, but I feel like my PPs are getting ghosted on the way out of WM more often now. Could be because I've been a bit greedier, but it would be nice for the skill to actually happen if its animation goes off.