Proposed fixes to Monk

[OneIlmPunch]

Forbidden Chakra isn't meant to reflect 'all' our points being opened but ones that go beyond our original seven, or so my head cannon goes. If there is no slow down with a 15% RoF my opo-opo idea would actually make the building of chakra really fluid and reliable for lvl 64+

I do not however want shameful reflections of other job features just renamed, that would upset me greatly.

I do keep seeing others asking for a total rework but I'm adamant on this positions and don't believe it's necessary. I've been playing MNK for several years now as my main and primary job and I just can't imagine it being much different barring a few tweaks to existing abilities. It doesn't need potency buffs or 'new' designs, but tools that reward intelligent play and positioning.

[SpeckledBurd]

Thinking of Forbidden Chakra in terms of Lore when it was never envisioned as having anything to do with Lore is folly. It's just a damage loss mitigation tool that was originally conceptualized to be used during downtime that was converted into a resource while doing the absolute bare minimum towards that. If it's going to be a fully envisioned gauge, it probably shouldn't be 14 to stick with lore, that's an extremely awkward number to work around. It should be 10/100 like most other gauges because that's a good round number for the human mind to wrap itself around in terms of usability.

[OneIlmPunch]

1/5 or 10/100 it doesn't make any difference, I prefer the 5 pips rather than a bar because visually they're cooler. . . At least to me.

On a design standpoint yes having 14 pips would not be a good idea, the awakened chakra themselves I think are more akin to pathways for aether to flow, not really things we open or close from a lore standpoint.

Regardless lets keep creative ideas flowing and not allow outside negativity to affect anyone's willingness to toss in their own concepts. Please continue providing them I love seeing what others can come up with!

[Drayos]

Tbh I don’t think monk needs a rework. I think some of the mechanics functions need reworking however.

I think it’s about time, we came off crit to proc things and a flat rate, they did this for bard but not us, I’d also like brotherhood to gain a chakra per second instead of being Nicht dependent on your team having physical dps.

I’d like to see tornado kick come away from GL and be utilised as a full OGCD, maybe give it 3 stacks allow each successful combo to reduce the CD of tornado kick.

And I’d like to see anatman give 1 stack of GL immediately then the rest of server tick.

[OneIlmPunch]

Tbh I don’t think monk needs a rework. I think some of the mechanics functions need reworking however.

I think it’s about time, we came off crit to proc things and a flat rate, they did this for bard but not us, I’d also like brotherhood to gain a chakra per second instead of being Nicht dependent on your team having physical dps.

I’d like to see tornado kick come away from GL and be utilised as a full OGCD, maybe give it 3 stacks allow each successful combo to reduce the CD of tornado kick.

And I’d like to see anatman give 1 stack of GL immediately then the rest of server tick.

Yes I firmly agree, when I have time I'll consolidate everyone's ideas into one post. Thanks everyone for your fantastic feedback.

[SpeckledBurd]

1/5 or 10/100 it doesn't make any difference, I prefer the 5 pips rather than a bar because visually they're cooler. . . At least to me.

On a design standpoint yes having 14 pips would not be a good idea, the awakened chakra themselves I think are more akin to pathways for aether to flow, not really things we open or close from a lore standpoint.

Regardless lets keep creative ideas flowing and not allow outside negativity to affect anyone's willingness to toss in their own concepts. Please continue providing them I love seeing what others can come up with!

To elaborate, I think the amount of Chakra that Monk can bank should be expanded so that it isn’t the only job whose gauge is all or nothing which is part of the residual design from when Meditation/Forbidden Chakra was exclusively meant for downtime loss mitigation.

[Physic]

Tbh I don’t think monk needs a rework. I think some of the mechanics functions need reworking however.

I think it’s about time, we came off crit to proc things and a flat rate, they did this for bard but not us, I’d also like brotherhood to gain a chakra per second instead of being Nicht dependent on your team having physical dps.

I’d like to see tornado kick come away from GL and be utilised as a full OGCD, maybe give it 3 stacks allow each successful combo to reduce the CD of tornado kick.

And I’d like to see anatman give 1 stack of GL immediately then the rest of server tick.

my only problem with crit procs is they nerfed crit rates, and removed crit skills. the point of criticals as a trigger, is so that certain things require some reaction, and aren't part of a standard rotation. Crit had the benefit of you being able increase it through gear and actions/buffs.

if you can come up with something that serves some of those same specifications, i wouldn't be opposed.

[OneIlmPunch]

To elaborate, I think the amount of Chakra that Monk can bank should be expanded so that it isn’t the only job whose gauge is all or nothing which is part of the residual design from when Meditation/Forbidden Chakra was exclusively meant for downtime loss mitigation.

Okay that makes sense, but how exactly would partial Chakra attacks work? Maybe provide your full details on the idea? I'm very curious.

[SpeckledBurd]

Okay that makes sense, but how exactly would partial Chakra attacks work? Maybe provide your full details on the idea? I'm very curious.

Essentially it would work the same way most other gauges work, where the Gauge is actually a resource you can manage and use rather than something you cap and drain in its entirety. So for example, it takes a certain Chakra minimum to use Forbidden Chakra/Enlightenment but you've got a threshold over it that you can continue to build it so you can dump it during phases where buffs align (IE, it costs 5 chakra to use them, it caps at 10/15/20). On the periphery there are other utility skills that you could use that cost more or less Chakra that can be spent on utility skills such as gap closers, disengages, more efficient potency wise Chakra skills on longer cooldowns, etc. It's rather derivative of Samurai, but as a Job I feel that it has one of the most well thought out Gauges so it makes for a good template.

But even without completely aping the way Samurai's gauge works, simply giving Monk some overhead in it's gauge for the extremely common situation of you capping on chakra at the tail end of your GCD/in the middle of it when you can't possibly spend it would be a huge quality of life change and prevent chakra from being lost.

[OneIlmPunch]

I like the concept but I don't approve of the idea of every job sharing resource templates, it makes them feel too same-y, however you do bring up a valid point about us having Chakra's we can use for several abilities, I actually really fancy the idea of having different tools.

When I have time I'm going to credit everyone's ideas in a single post, for now everyone keep punching!