So about that Eden

[Daralii]

I'm a bit confused, though maybe subsequent raids will elaborate.

Eden being the first sin eater I can get behind, but why...is it so technological? With Alexander it made sense, the goblins summoned Alexander into a sharlyan construct but Eden isn't a primal made in such a way.

I feel like it might be a Primal of a sort. We know that Ryne has the Echo, and she was able to wrest control of Eden in a battle of wills. It's reminiscent of Zenos taking control of Shinryu.

I can't help but wonder if it was created by Zodiark when He was revitalizing the world, and then just left to sleep until the Flood disturbed it.

Nine plus one

[Bright-Flower]

I feel like it might be a Primal of a sort. We know that Ryne has the Echo, and she was able to wrest control of Eden in a battle of wills. It's reminiscent of Zenos taking control of Shinryu.

I can't help but wonder if it was created by Zodiark when He was revitalizing the world, and then just left to sleep until the Flood disturbed it.

Nine plus one

Maybe. Ten chars.

The main reason I'm not so sure about it existing before is that Ryne says it's not 'filled with light' but 'made of light' infering that it isn't a preexisting being consumed by light the way sin eaters were once living things consumed by light. If it was a machien or primal or whatever before the flood of light I wouldn't imagine this distinction would exist.

[Crushnight]

Ten characters

I'm hoping the Shiva fight is a tearjerker. A more somber version of Oblivion, with Shiva herself just being Ysayle with decorative ice armor.

Anyway, if Gaia can control a theoretical Voidsent Prime(or if the CT can still open a tear to the 13th), I have to think that the shard could theoretically be restored, but there are problems in the way. The overwhelming darkness would need to be dealt with, either through someone with the Blessing of Light(Unukalhai...) or perhaps Eden/"Voidsent Prime" putting the aether in stasis and seeing if it could gradually shift, the voidsent would need to be driven away from an ever-expanding area of operations-which is so unfeasible that I think killing everything on the shard might be the only way-or they would simply gorge themselves on the realigned aether.

The fact that Gaia and the Oracle of Darkness exist at all, and that Gaia herself seems at odds with the Oracle, makes me wonder if she could either be the start of Elidibus's plan or a remnant from the older plan to fix the shard.

10 laws for characters

I'm most interested in seeing both Ramuh and Shiva/Ysayle since while we fought them it was far more on their terms and Shiva having such expanded lore to her(maybe a mix of Shiva + Hrasvelgr) and be interesting how they are changed.

Gaia is definetly going to be interesting going forward

[GrizzlyTank]

There better be...

Moogles

at some point.

[Milea]

On Eden and what it is

My guess is Eden was made by Hydaelyn.

Hydaelyn is THE primal of light.

Also, Ryne can control Eden why and how?
The Oraclr is like Hydaelyn\\'s representative.

As to Eden fixing the 13th, I don\\'t think it is possible.
Light aether suppresses aether. This is why the first is fixable.

What does darkness aether do? My guess is it destroys or overrides.

[Seraphor]

10characters

Remember the Flood of Light was caused by Ascian meddling, and Eden was the cause of it, then it makes sense that the Ascians had a hand in it.

Personal theory is that Eden was created by the people of the 13th, coerced by Ascians into controlling the balance of aether. That's why it's technological, because it is technology.
That's why Gaia said something along the lines of Eden destroying her world.
Then to instigate the Flood of light on the First, Emet-Selch brought Eden over again.

Perhaps Eden was used for all of the calamities?

[Milea]

10characters

Remember the Flood of Light was caused by Ascian meddling, and Eden was the cause of it, then it makes sense that the Ascians had a hand in it.

Personal theory is that Eden was created by the people of the 13th, coerced by Ascians into controlling the balance of aether. That's why it's technological, because it is technology.
That's why Gaia said something along the lines of Eden destroying her world.
Then to instigate the Flood of light on the First, Emet-Selch brought Eden over again.

Perhaps Eden was used for all of the calamities?

Perhaps, but then why does Ryne say Eden is light?

If she could cause all the calamities, she should be more than light.

[Nalien]

On Edens origins

While doing the MSQ I mentioned to myself that Chthonic Riddle, Therion had some design aspects that reminded me of Eden... Most notably the purple domes, did anyone else get this vibe at all? If Therion was the result of Ancients Creation Magic running rampant, I wonder perhaps if Edens creation is rooted in a similar manner? We know the Flood of Light was part of the Acians plan, and if that Flood was being caused by the First Sin Eater, perhaps the Emet created Eden specifically for that purpose? Given how simple a matter it was for him to hand over a Lightwarden to the old Major of Eulmore, it stands to reason he had some method for dealing with them...

Also worth pointing out, that in our fight with Hades, his wings had clusters of Dark Crystals forming on them. Eden, likewise, has clusters of Light Crystals forming under her wings... Heck, if you attach a giant domed Garden to Hades back (with his wings holding it in place), I think he'd look very similar to Eden in a lot of regards...

[Lium]

Unless I missed it...

How did Eden cause the Flood of Light? Who built it and why? Does it have Ascian connections?

[Iscah]

On Eden and what it is

My guess is Eden was made by Hydaelyn.

Hydaelyn is THE primal of light.

I don't think so.

being a Light-aspected primal does not give Her control over all Light.

The last we heard, She was immensely weakened, needed an external power boost to give Minfilia form again, and I don't think we've heard from Her at all since that time back in 3.4.

Also, She sent Minfilia to the First to stop the flood. Why do that if She also created the cause of the flood?