So about that Eden

[ObsidianFire]

Eden doesn't really work like the Crystal in the House of the Crooked Coin at all. The Crystal in the House of the Crooked Coin does not turn aether into static (Umbral) aether, which is what Eden did. Rather, the Crystal in the House of the Crooked Coin acts like a dam or a diversion channel. It was diverting the aether away from the Burn and storing it. The Allagans simply never turned the diversion effect off. Once Y'shtola turned the diversion effect off, the aether started flowing towards the Burn again. The Burn isn't filled with static aether (the Empty) but has very, very little aether (the Void). The Burn has more in common with the Void then the Empty really.

[TinyRedLeaf]

I did not fight Eden in FFVIII, so I don't know if this is something peculiar only to FFXIV's version of the guardian force:

Eden's limit break summons a force field around a planet, arranged in twelve directions.

Is that coincidence? Or is it a subtle hint of the Twelve? My current theory is that Hydaelyn was summoned by a rebel group of 12 Ascians, in opposition to the summoning of Zodiark. Perhaps Eden was also created by the rebel Ascians, before the fall of Amaulot?

[Daralii]

I did not fight Eden in FFVIII, so I don't know if this is something peculiar only to FFXIV's version of the guardian force:

Eden's limit break summons a force field around a planet, arranged in twelve directions.

Is that coincidence? Or is it a subtle hint of the Twelve? My current theory is that Hydaelyn was summoned by a rebel group of 12 Ascians, in opposition to the summoning of Zodiark. Perhaps Eden was also created by the rebel Ascians, before the fall of Amaulot?

There are texts in Akademia Anyder that say

Lahabrea and his colleagues were doing research into the creation of beings they dubbed Guardian Forces, and discovered the necessity of sacrifice to make them manifest. Them trying to create a large GF that operates on a planetary scale would make sense as a proof of concept for the idea that would become Zodiark.

[Seraph522]

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Just to note, you don't actually fight Eden in FFVIII, you draw it from either the Ultima Weapon fight or from Tiamat and can use it as a Guardian Force. To address the image:

It's an almost exact recreation of Eden's summoned attack from FFVIII, the numbers included; you can take a look at it here at about 10:15. The numbers also match what is present in FFVIII's summon animation, so it could easily be a coincidence. Doesn't mean it couldn't mean more, of course, but it's not guaranteed.

[LineageRazor]

I did not fight Eden in FFVIII, so I don't know if this is something peculiar only to FFXIV's version of the guardian force:

Yes, this sequence is almost an exact replica of the summoning animation for Eden from FFXIII. Pretty much the only thing missing is the animation of Eden are the slow pans across Eden and moving the enemy (us, in this case) into position. Since FFXIV wasn't even a twinkle in Tanaka's eye at that point this animation was created for FFVIII, it is very unlikely that any of the symbols we see here were intended to have any meaning for FFXIV.

That said, there's nothing stopping the devs from retroactively assigning some meaning. Twelve is a useful number, and triangle is a useful shape. XD

[Daralii]

Yes, this sequence is almost an exact replica of the summoning animation for Eden from FFXIII. Pretty much the only thing missing is the animation of Eden are the slow pans across Eden and moving the enemy (us, in this case) into position. Since FFXIV wasn't even a twinkle in Tanaka's eye at that point this animation was created for FFVIII, it is very unlikely that any of the symbols we see here were intended to have any meaning for FFXIV.

That said, there's nothing stopping the devs from retroactively assigning some meaning. Twelve is a useful number, and triangle is a useful shape. XD

Side by side of the animations with them trimmed to match up, because Eternal Breath in VIII was easily twice the length of it in XIV.

[TankHunter678]

Side by side of the animations with them trimmed to match up, because Eternal Breath in VIII was easily twice the length of it in XIV.

It was also played at iirc 30 FPS back in VIII.

[AkaeiNox]

10 characters.

Was our unsundered soul involved in the Guardian Forces project? Could it be that work on them that raised "us" to the convocation.

[Seraphor]

10 characters.

Was our unsundered soul involved in the Guardian Forces project? Could it be that work on them that raised "us" to the convocation.

Plot twist:

The reason we have no memories of our past Amaurotine life, is that summoning a Guardian Force... erased them.