How can you tell a bad tank?

[Forever_Learning]

i mean the important aspect is the defensive CD for me at least.
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I think my first DRK tank in the Vault did nothing other than tank stance (grit) and DPS.

Is there an easy way to tell if a defensive CD has been used?

Second tank, so much more would light up other than grit, and healing was easy - so I like to think those were defensive CDs.

More generally, I'd like to be able to ask the tank to use defensive CDs when I it's not being done and we're wiping.

I guess seeing them go from 100% to 20% over and over during a pull (i.e., after every heal they get) is a good sign that defensive CDS arent being used?

[gumas]

Is there an easy way to tell if a defensive CD has been used?

after defensive CD is used no. but if they use defensive CD there should a skill icon appear on their party ui



like that

[Zfz]

but in boss fight i agree, if i see DRK or PLD mp is not empty 80% of the time during boss fight, thas bad. not the worst, but bad yeah.

Shouldn't the PLD always be accumulating MP towards full most of the time anyways?

• Requiescat's 50% buff and instant cast effect is only activated if the PLD as 8000+ MP.
• Requiescat has a 60s cooldown which lines up nicely with the PLD rotation to recover to full MP.
• Confiteor (the 800 potency finisher) requires Requiescat.

Requiescat lasts 12s, so basically the PLD will only be spending MP 20% of the time (and basically dump all the MP within that 12 seconds) while trying to accumulate MP 80% of the time.

[Abomination713]

Shouldn't the PLD always be accumulating MP towards full most of the time anyways?

• Requiescat's 50% buff and instant cast effect is only activated if the PLD as 8000+ MP.
• Requiescat has a 60s cooldown which lines up nicely with the PLD rotation to recover to full MP.
• Confiteor (the 800 potency finisher) requires Requiescat.

Requiescat lasts 12s, so basically the PLD will only be spending MP 20% of the time (and basically dump all the MP within that 12 seconds) while trying to accumulate MP 80% of the time.

With the new Requiescat instant cast, you can get all 5 casts out now in that time (2k MP each) so a PLD should have full MP to maximize damage.

[Physic]

There are two types of tanks in this game.

One kind needs a big heal every 10 seconds or so, while the other tank, it's like they arent wearing any armour! I watch their health bar and I swear, it's just constantly dropping so fast! Is the second type an indication you have a bad tank on your hands?

tank mitigation is only two factors gear, and cooldowns. Cooldowns is only some of the time, mostly its gear, but since many tanks are in a dungeon in order to get gear, it's kind of unreasonable to expect them to be max gear.

i would say a good tank plays to the team, so they should adapt to thier mitigation, groups dps, and healer's heals

[Forever_Learning]

i would say a good tank plays to the team, so they should adapt to thier mitigation, groups dps, and healer's heals

What's your feeling on the following:

I tried telling the tank to pull less in a somewhat cheeky way.

I said: If you keep pulling like that, I will have to spend the entire time spamming heals and have no room for DPS.

Tank said: Keep spamming heals, we already have two DPS.

So, I did, but then he needed as much healing during the boss fights as during the large pulls, so it was a wipe fest till a DPS left.

I keep looking back on it thinking I should have said something like 'That's not really how pulls are supposed to go' or 'do something more than just grit!'

[Physic]

What's your feeling on the following:

I tried telling the tank to pull less in a somewhat cheeky way.

I said: If you keep pulling like that, I will have to spend the entire time spamming heals and have no room for DPS.

Tank said: Keep spamming heals, we already have two DPS.

So, I did, but then he needed as much healing during the boss fights as during the large pulls, so it was a wipe fest till a DPS left.

I keep looking back on it thinking I should have said something like 'That's not really how pulls are supposed to go' or 'do something more than just grit!'

nah, there isn't much you can do, he didn't seem that interested in adapting his gameplay to the current team, you tried, that's all you can do.

[Gemina]

Oh man. There are so many ways a tank can work against the party: A tank holding aggro can deliberately face the boss towards the party so everyone gets cleaved; they can shirk a DPS player or healer for giggles; they used to be able to stay in DPS stance and get one-shotted by an unmitigated tank buster; they can see their MT sitting on 5 stacks of vuln^ and not provoke. Tanks that don't protect anything other than their inflated egos.

Yup. I'll take a squishy tank any day over the aforementioned. Squishy =/= bad tank. Squishy simply means the tank needs better gear, to pull less, and/or use mitigative CDs better. On the other end of the token, I've had tanks who are nigh invincible think they are gods, treating everyone like crap, and just abusing their tank privileges by doing things like not avoiding AoEs, not using cooldowns, initiating vote kicks for no good reason, or pulling wall to wall without considering the safety of it.

[PonifiedBeast]

Not using a CD or only saving the cd for bosses.
The size of their pulls
Not keeping the boss positioned properly (pulling out of dps aoes or keeping the boss’s positional unreachable)

[Tharnor]

There are two types of tanks in this game.

One kind needs a big heal every 10 seconds or so, while the other tank, it's like they arent wearing any armour! I watch their health bar and I swear, it's just constantly dropping so fast! Is the second type an indication you have a bad tank on your hands?

Rng does play a role here. While crits are not that scary in boss fights since only some enemies guarantee a big skill will be a crit. In trash pulls this can cause big chunks of random damage. Better the tanks gear, less this is a problem. Gear is the biggest factor in 4man content. Skill levels always vary but once your sync or ilvl capped you have a significant advantage no matter how badly a tank is played.

Now when they have terrible gear and skill. Best start praying to the mother crystal because that is going to be a stressful run at times.