Novice Network

[SenorPatty]

It could be, but OP is complaining also about people chatting in there about everything.
Welp this also happen on my server, people talk about everything because there isnt really too many people asking questions.
I still wonder what "toxicity" means, having a laugh is toxicity?

The core of OP's argument, and might I add, other argument concerning the NN isn't off-topic convos in NN. It's the disregard for inquiries about the game coming from none other than the mentors themselves. Are there mentors who stop their shenanigans to answer questions and concerns in the NN? Yes, those type of people exist. Likewise, there are others who actually feel botheres by sprouts and returners for interrupting their fun or even worse, just straight up ignore and kick those people.

The issue is there. It may not show up in every server obviously or heck, at all times of the day but it exist and not in the "it's just a few bad seeds" category.

[Dreggit]

I can't even get in most days for Famfrits NovNet... I want to help people with Crafting/Gathering and only get to help those that join in my Linkshell for it because of how bloated the numbers of mentors that exist now...

In my opinion, as far as combat reqs... if like to see them get increased:
Level 80 DPS/HLR/TNK
2000 duties
1500 coms

DoH/DoL should get a boost to reqs too. There's too many people that used some kind of level boost to get a shiny icon that do nothing for the sprouts and that makes me sad

[Nims]

I've been in NN several times on a lot of servers (all aether data center if that matters) and I've always gotten an answer. I've also never seen any "toxicity" in the NN. People not answering questions, talking about drugs, or even getting into arguments isn't toxic. I wish I could find the toxic community here that people talk about as I'm tired of the 100% positive virtue signaling bs that's rampant.

Is NN helpful? Probably not extremely helpful. Does that make it toxic? No.

[Kelani]

I've had some of my questions answered in NN and at other times it's ignored. Well, I don't think it's ignored on purpose, it's just at the time that I've asked questions that tend to get ignored, there's a lot of chat going on, maybe mentor helping another new player or they're just generally chatting about something. I don't take this to heart, I'll just let them talk and when the NN is quiet again, and if I remember to, I'll ask the question again and it'll usually get answered.

Though saying that, I have had a bad experience with NN on the same server but on a different character, which was quite a long time ago. Since then the people that I had issue with have actually stopped playing the game or have left the NN chat. I must admit it did put me off using the NN but after taking a long break from the game and returning I haven't found NN bad at all. In fact the only things I have seen is the mentors kicking people for being disruptive.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Strange - wife loved Siren's NN chat and misses it. Your the first person I've heard complain about it.

Feel free to friend me and ask me questions if I'm on.

[Arazehl]

Strange - wife loved Siren's NN chat and misses it. Your the first person I've heard complain about it.

Feel free to friend me and ask me questions if I'm on.

This isn't the first thread about poor treatment in the NN. There are some very helpful people in this program, I'm sure, but there is also those that seep in that fail miserably at public relations. Is the program broken? Not entirely, but it needs to have stricter guidelines put in place to filter out those that are not in there for the reasons it was intended. It's not a social network, nor should it be allowed to turn into one.

[JackHatchet]

People need a global chat channel to talk in. The easiest solution to this problem is for Square-Enix to just make a global chat channel like Novice Network, but for general chatter. And then everyone would chill in there over Novice Network.

It really doesn't help that there are toxic people on both sides and that makes it worse. If it was just the general chatter people being toxic--then the "NN is for newbies only!" people would have a leg to stand on, but they're guilty too. I can't tell you how many times I've had legitimately good conversations in Novice Network. There will be no one asking questions with a fun, creative atmosphere and some douchebag chirps in "hey NN is just for helping people!" Like no @@@@ Sherlock, but no one is asking questions. How dare you come in here and start making a scene and derailing from the pleasant conversation going. There's a lot of 'holier than thou' people out there who just want to see everyone else bend the knee to their way of thinking--even if it's negative for the community. So if we get a global chat channel then all the prudes can stay in Novice, and the cool kids can hang out in global.

Again, I can't state again how good it would be to get an official global chat channel. And to anyone who says "oh just form a linkshell."--bugger off. That's a bad suggestion and you don't understand how global chat works. The same for 'Join a FC" or "use shout chat."

The bottom line is. Novice Network can and WILL be the global chat channel until Square-Enix gives one. I think that's a valid cause everyone can get behind. Maybe y'all should petition for one or something. However that works.

[Kelani]

People need a global chat channel to talk in. The easiest solution to this problem is for Square-Enix to just make a global chat channel like Novice Network, but for general chatter. And then everyone would chill in there over Novice Network.

It really doesn't help that there are toxic people on both sides and that makes it worse. If it was just the general chatter people being toxic--then the "NN is for newbies only!" people would have a leg to stand on, but they're guilty too. I can't tell you how many times I've had legitimately good conversations in Novice Network. There will be no one asking questions with a fun, creative atmosphere and some douchebag chirps in "hey NN is just for helping people!" Like no @@@@ Sherlock, but no one is asking questions. How dare you come in here and start making a scene and derailing from the pleasant conversation going. There's a lot of 'holier than thou' people out there who just want to see everyone else bend the knee to their way of thinking--even if it's negative for the community. So if we get a global chat channel then all the prudes can stay in Novice, and the cool kids can hang out in global.

Again, I can't state again how good it would be to get an official global chat channel. And to anyone who says "oh just form a linkshell."--bugger off. That's a bad suggestion and you don't understand how global chat works. The same for 'Join a FC" or "use shout chat."

The bottom line is. Novice Network can and WILL be the global chat channel until Square-Enix gives one. I think that's a valid cause everyone can get behind. Maybe y'all should petition for one or something. However that works.

This ^ - Most games I've played in the past have always had a global chat. Just can't understand why SE cannot have the same. The NN is a good idea but I would prefer to see a global chat that doesn't require you to be a mentor or sprout to join.

[JunseiKei]

we NEED a general chat with a profanity filter

There is a profanity filter that is default on and is opt out. If people are subverting the filter, report them - that's actually against the ToS. Otherwise, there is no other stricter filter needed.

This isn't the first thread about poor treatment in the NN. There are some very helpful people in this program, I'm sure, but there is also those that seep in that fail miserably at public relations. Is the program broken? Not entirely, but it needs to have stricter guidelines put in place to filter out those that are not in there for the reasons it was intended. It's not a social network, nor should it be allowed to turn into one.

Unfortunately, it's run on honor. If you ask GM about the NN, you'll be told it's no different than any other linkshell, but with obligations to answer questions and invite new and returning players. Outside of that, conversation is pretty much up to the occupants. The only thing players can do about other players abusing the NN is report them for when they don't do the very few things required of them.

PThe bottom line is. Novice Network can and WILL be the global chat channel until Square-Enix gives one. I think that's a valid cause everyone can get behind. Maybe y'all should petition for one or something. However that works.

There's no guarantee that adding a global chat would remedy the extra chatter in NN, which isn't even a problem to begin with. If anything, adding a global chat, where 200+ other people can chime in whenever, might keep those same people speaking in NN because of exclusivity (only other mentors, newbies and returning) plus familiar names they already know. Seeing how global chat is in Black Desert Online, it tends to scroll by too quickly to actually have any meaningful conversations, especially if people want to troll with macros.

EDIT:
Add to the fact it'd provide an avenue for RMT to advertise their practices, whereas a majority of them are blocked from anything beyond ARR areas due to needing the expansions. Unless, of course, they add stipulations like trial accounts cannot use global chat, but fully bought accounts still could add to that problem.

[Wolwosh]

Why do you want to be in there anyway?
Everyone knows by now that mentors often play worse than sprouts.
They're always the 1st to die, 1st to leave.
Join a nice fc, make friends there, and ask for they're help/opinion.