Shields devalued by devs

[SilentVoice]

Dear SE design team,
Last week I cleared The Crown of Immaculate Extreme and was surprised to notice that healer shields do not work on the boss ultimate attack after killing ads. My question is - WHY?
Why you keep doing this for some fights, and why is it becoming a norm? There are other ways to make fight more punishing, rather than making people with 2 vulnstacks die to an ultimate attack that cannot be shielded. Maybe remove them shields altogether then, since it is clear that you want healer to just spam "1" reducing value of their healing toolkit to by making design decisions like these.
Best Regards, Aluvian Darkstar@Twintania

[Typhoria]

Are you talking about Adlo type shielding of Sacred Soil damage reduction? I know for a fact that I've had both of the Ex "limits" deal 0 damage to me as a tank.

Regarding Vulnerability, having one stack during the "limit" seems to put healers/DPS into critical health no matter what. A second stack at that point is just death regardless.

[kidalutz]

Uh was gonna Answer but Typhoria pointed it out Vuln stacks are NOT your friends avoid getting hit.

The irony of the signature statement though.

[Nimloth]

Shields work, but you have to apply them before the add phase ends. I'm assuming this is a bug more so than an intentional feature

[Sylve]

Shields work, but you have to apply them before the add phase ends. I'm assuming this is a bug more so than an intentional feature

Doubt its a bug.
More likely due to the way Animations work. Its very likely that the Ultimate attack is triggered the instant the adds die. But it has an insanely long animation, and damage is applied at the END of animations, the problem is more likely that he is applying shields after the game actually applies the damage to you.
Same thing happens all the time with Tank Busters and Adloq.
If the cast bar finishes before Adloq lands, the animation will play out and the damage is applied … seemingly ignoring the Galvanise, but that's because the Tank already got hit by the Tank Buster before Adloq took effect, it just didn't 'apply' the damage until the animation said it should.

This is something we learned, as a community, a very long time ago ...

[Nimloth]

Yeah, it might be intended that way. However, it is a bit unusual for the way most of the fights work in the game. Snapping shotting is something I'm super familiar with, I've been raiding since 2.0. However, there is usually an opportunity to apply shields, defensive buffs, etc... after add phase, such as during Sephirot for example. That's why I was leaning towards it being more of a bug than something intentional

[SilentVoice]

Shields work, but you have to apply them before the add phase ends. I'm assuming this is a bug more so than an intentional feature

Really then? Thanks for the valuable input. I just never seen them working regardless of group, always that adlo spread being unaffected by damage. Some even speculated that shields only make it worse lol

[Silver-Strider]

I've had several issues with Innocence with Random Deaths for no particular reason at all that I wouldn't doubt there were several glitches involved. Hell, I've had times when someone without Vulnerability died, even with Sacred Soil, Temperance, and Passage of Arms all going.

[SilentVoice]

Uh was gonna Answer but Typhoria pointed it out Vuln stacks are NOT your friends avoid getting hit.

The irony of the signature statement though.

I find it funny how people are quick to put an emphasis on a certain bit of a message and make it sound like OP is an idiot. Never did I endorse farming vulnstacks, but rather point out that there literally no way to even try to shield that person with critlo in attempt to save him if such situation happened after all

[Maltothoris]

Ya Innocence's ultimate attack snapshots right when the last add dies. So if you're going to shield the attack you want to do it before the last add dies.