[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[mario710]

Someone please help me understand why the bad guys are never allowed to win?

Something seemed awfully wrong about the way Emet-Selch was taken out. By all accounts, he should have won.

I mean, are Ascians even evil?

[Ketsufuma]

Someone please help me understand why the bad guys are never allowed to win?

Something seemed awfully wrong about the way Emet-Selch was taken out. By all accounts, he should have won.

I mean, are Ascians even evil?

Thats what this expansion is all about.
Its meant to question what we are truly doing vs what they are doing.
The ascians have lived for hundreds of years working towards the rejoining.
We as the WoL have learned that we are part of their forgotten world when our soul was split.

So i feel liek there will be more exploration behind their story later on in the MSQ but thats just my opinion

[Insertcoins]

So you want your character to be deleted? Cause that's what'll happen if they win. You'll get deleted. So no game for you. So no... besides... why?

[DJMau]

Depends on whether or not you consider septuple genocide to be evil or not.

I personally do.

[Lium]

So you want your character to be deleted? Cause that's what'll happen if they win. You'll get deleted. So no game for you. So no... besides... why?

Think the OP means something along the lines of we lose but aren't killed. We retreat, go into hiding or something and try to regroup. Avengers: Infinity War style. But when you think about it, Shadowbringers did an excellent job of making us question who really are the good guys, and it's looking more and more that WE may actually be the bad guys. So, in that regard, the bad guys actually did win.

[Gwenorai]

I'm confused, is this an actual question?

"Why didn't square enix kill me off?" or 'Why wasn't he allowed to beat us and kill billions more?' basically?
He's already destroyed like 90% of the first and caused the void. He's done a lot of 'winning' already.

[DJMau]

Also, Emet lost the moment he decided to go on and on about how he's 'superior' to everyone else. All his years (and the not so substantial fact that we've already wasted ascians before him) should have clued him in that fighting a cornered beast is a VERY bad idea.

[Kaedan]

It's not like the bad guys haven't "won" plenty during the storyline.

While we may have ultimately defeated Emet-Selch, they had plenty of victories along the way. I mean, the entire reason we are on the First at all is because of Emet-Selch successfully manipulating things to cause a Flood of Light there.

And think about if they did win... all of creation would be destroyed and it would be back to how it was in Amaurot... everyone looks the same and everyone is 100% controlled and dictated by a absolute authority-wielding god.

[Enla]

He literally wants to destroy all life on the Source and it's Shards to resurrect his people... Who are speculated to not only have contributed to the death of their star via excessive use of Creation but whom also killed themselves off by refusing to stop chasing the past. Their own actions caused Hydaelyn to be summoned. Their own actions saw their people sundered. Their own actions hold every bit the same amount of arrogance then as in now. The Ascians had a chance eons ago to save their star at great, but not civilization destroying expense and instead of licking their wounds, they plotted to steal life from people outside their society to resurrect those who died to create Zodiark.

At the point Zodiark had just been summoned and the Star saved they were not evil. Even when they proposed their plans of cultivating the star for reaping, you could understand where they were coming from as most humans would at least entertain the thoughts that were swirling in their heads. Yet they went through with it. Then, once it failed and the Star was split, they /kept/ on doing it. Killing in the millions if not billions to resurrect what had long since turned to ash. At that point they had long since expended the moral high ground. In a story so hero driven, they were never going to win when their end game was the death of everyone to restart anew.

Now if they /didn't/ require genocide to get their way there'd be more wiggle room to argue. But they do. So, yes, they are by most definitions evil even if you understand where they are coming from.

Ten characters. Also if you want to play a game from SE where the bad guy 'wins', go play FF6.

[mario710]

I don't follow the 'genocide is bad' philosophy. It is clearly stated that we don't actually EXIST. Everyone and everything across the different shards are fragmented reflections.

Yes, genocide is awful, however, restoring a shade does not count as genocide. As Emet-Selch put it: "You are not actually alive to me."

Well, would you look at that? Guess what? He's right.