Square Enix, please think about both Casual AND Hardcore crafters..

[Aurida]

... and/or worse, they cause developers to have to change things to combat this.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily 'for worse' - it was already resolved back when they added prudent touch, it seems, and people are only now seeing the writing on the wall now that that trend of making the system approachable has continued up into Shadowbringers.

Turns out having more people able to participate in the highest and most profitable tiers of crafting is a good thing!

[CookiesNCreams]

I wouldn't say that's necessarily 'for worse' - it was already resolved back when they added prudent touch, it seems, and people are only now seeing the writing on the wall now that that trend of making the system approachable has continued up into Shadowbringers.

Turns out having more people able to participate in the highest and most profitable tiers of crafting is a good thing!

Giving everyone a “Good Job!” kindergarten participation sticker isn’t really a good thing for keeping items valuable, though.

[Aurida]

Crafted items aren't supposed to be valuable. They're supposed to fill slots until you get tomestone or raid equipment.

[CookiesNCreams]

Crafted items aren't supposed to be valuable. They're supposed to fill slots until you get tomestone or raid equipment.

HQ Crafted items used to have value until prudent touch made endgame crafting far too much of a joke, though. In other words, they had value before that happened. So yes, they are supposed to be.

Although in Ishgard 5.2, it’s hard to say what’ll be made valuable then. Maybe exclusive tools and gear you can only get by being top 5 on your server. Who knows.

[Maeka]

HQ Crafted items used to have value until prudent touch made endgame crafting far too much of a joke, though.

So, them being easier to get somehow makes them less useful as equipment, or more ugly as glamours. Okaaaay.

In other words, they had value before that happened.

Does everything have to be about how much farking gil you can make off of it, or epeen factor? Seriously. I really don't get this obsession with making so stinking much gil that you don't know what to do with.

Dunno about anybody else, but I thought the value in, say, a weapon is how much damage it does, or in the case of a glam weapon, how good it looks.

I really never understood this "It's hard to get or it's rare therefore it's more valuable" ... I've seen some terrible weapons that (to me) look absolutely ugly, or they are obsolete and people still want hundreds of K for them and I scratch my head going "uh, why?" (not counting of course, say, weapons used in relic weapon quests or what-not).

[MilkAndChoco]

So, them being easier to get somehow makes them less useful as equipment, or more ugly as glamours. Okaaaay.



Does everything have to be about how much farking gil you can make off of it, or epeen factor? Seriously. I really don't get this obsession with making so stinking much gil that you don't know what to do with.

Dunno about anybody else, but I thought the value in, say, a weapon is how much damage it does, or in the case of a glam weapon, how good it looks.

I really never understood this "It's hard to get or it's rare therefore it's more valuable" ... I've seen some terrible weapons that (to me) look absolutely ugly, or they are obsolete and people still want hundreds of K for them and I scratch my head going "uh, why?" (not counting of course, say, weapons used in relic weapon quests or what-not).

you and callinon need stop harassing and bully this girl lol. you and him so mad about hardcore crafter opinions..there is not anything wrong with what she says because she is true. i am in crafting dis cord. sometimes they say in japan that what cookies is doing in English forum is a good thing. because of how easy it became and i a gree.

Cookies if you reading this now then keep doing what your doing. actually hardcore player watch your thread and support youre thread. this is the only thread across all language that call out easy crafting and we take notice of your good deed. ignore players that try bring you down. we still support your thread and love what your doing for hardcore community. your kind of like hero lol I sent you tell on Jenova from my aether alt, you should come to my jap server and craft

people on english forum act like such cry baby over hardcore things it is really sad.

[Callinon]

you and callinon need stop harassing and bully this girl lol. you and him so mad about hardcore crafter opinions..there is not anything wrong with what she says because she is true. i am in crafting dis cord. sometimes they say in japan that what cookies is doing in English forum is a good thing. because of how easy it became and i a gree.

I have no issue with their opinions. I disagree with them, but that's fine. The issue I have with them is the attitude they take with people that disagree with them. The tone of a statement is sometimes more important than the statement itself, and that person is constantly displaying a toxic attitude and talking down to people they deem as less hardcore than they are.

If they feel I've bullied them, I haven't. I've simply been calling out their garbage attitude toward people that disagree with them. It is possible to disagree with someone without telling them they don't belong in a discussion or declaring that they're lesser because they have less money. Both of which this person has done repeatedly.

[Maeka]

you and callinon need stop harassing and bully this girl lol. you and him so mad about hardcore crafter opinions..there is not anything wrong with what she says because she is true. i am in crafting dis cord. sometimes they say in japan that what cookies is doing in English forum is a good thing. because of how easy it became and i a gree.

Cookies if you reading this now then keep doing what your doing. actually hardcore player watch your thread and support youre thread. this is the only thread across all language that call out easy crafting and we take notice of your good deed. ignore players that try bring you down. we still support your thread and love what your doing for hardcore community. your kind of like hero lol I sent you tell on Jenova from my aether alt, you should come to my jap server and craft

people on english forum act like such cry baby over hardcore things it is really sad.

If you actually read what I posted, you would realize that I said that I am fine with hardcore niche crafting things. I'm fine with that. I am not fine, however, with the girl taking such an elitist attitude with people and waving their epeen around like they're something special because they dump 40+ hours a week into the game like it's a freaking job.

They call us hostile while instantly going on the offensive when they get triggered because we don't agree with them, even when we present our differing opinions politely.

It's OK to disagree.
It's NOT okay to attack someone who disagrees with you and THEN claim that THEY got hostile.

[Callinon]

Crafted items aren't supposed to be valuable. They're supposed to fill slots until you get tomestone or raid equipment.

I mean some of them are. Primal weapons and glamour gear are undeniably meant to be valuable. They're also made of rarer or more expensive materials, so that will also increase their value.

Thing is though, their value decreases over time as more supply enters the market and gradually outstrips demand. This is a natural progression of any market economy. The closest thing we get to innovation (and therefore new products) is when a new patch comes out and then that stuff is REALLY expensive.. for example see shell leather right now. There isn't very much of it floating around, and it makes something that looks cool (though is useless for all practical purposes), so it's valuable.

[Maeka]

I wouldn't say that's necessarily 'for worse' - it was already resolved back when they added prudent touch, it seems, and people are only now seeing the writing on the wall now that that trend of making the system approachable has continued up into Shadowbringers.

Turns out having more people able to participate in the highest and most profitable tiers of crafting is a good thing!

Yeah, turns out breaking up monopolies and free market benefits more people than what you'd get if a couple companies ruled everything.

Giving everyone a “Good Job!” kindergarten participation sticker isn’t really a good thing for keeping items valuable, though.

lol.

"If I can't grow a big epeen over these 0s and 1s then I feel no sense of self-worth" or something like that. Seriously. Does EVERYTHING have to be a bragging rights, "LOOK WHAT I GOT THAT YOU DON'T"? I mean really now.

I really do not understand people who have to get their sense of self-worth over 0s and 1s in a game. Where people don't care what a mount looks like, just as long as it was hard as frick to get.

Me? I just wanna use something that looks cool, even if it was handed out. I don't care how hard it was, or wasn't to get.