Square Enix, please think about both Casual AND Hardcore crafters..

[CookiesNCreams]

Depending on the changes everyone is going to be investing more time when it comes to crafting high end crafts to HQ. As for Macro's they are just a easy way to input commands, if you are someone who likes doing the inputs manually thats fine. I personally prefer the ease of a macro as it lets me do other things. Lets not be forcing our prefered form of inputing commands on others though, inputing commands manually does not make you some expert. I say this as there are plenty of crafters who make their own rotations and then tie them to macro's.

Yes you're right, if it is possible to use macros to do the crafts and always (or almost always) get a HQ result, then it definitely makes sense to use macros. And it's pretty much impossible for me to play multiple accounts without macros lol.

But what I hope for, is that the changes in crafting and difficulty of end game crafts will be such that macros will be unable to consistently get a HQ result. Force crafters to actually understand crafting mechanics and be involved in each end game craft, rather than clicking a few macros and bam, an end game craft is done. As long as a few macros guarantee HQ results, crafting is nearly mindless, once you're geared properly and have a good rotation. Would raiding be fun if all you had to do was gear up and have two macros made for each boss? You just walk into a boss fight and click two macros and it's guaranteed to die?

What I would like is interactive crafting (for end game crafts), where crafting becomes something a player actually does... rather than something the game does for us (like it is now). It would be simple to make it so conditions change during crafting that make using macros impossible, for example if you perform a touch action at the wrong time, your CP drops by 100, if you perform a synthesis action at the wrong time, your durability decreases by 3x what it normally would, these are just examples. Bottom line - you fail the crafting mechanics, you need to rely on RNG to get HQ, but if you do everything correctly, HQ is guaranteed. It would force players to actually understand crafting and perform well in order to obtain HQ end game crafts. Perform all the correct crafting actions at the right time and you'll HQ, just like how in combat we need to perform the correct actions at the correct time in order to defeat bosses. Is it not logical that players should actually need to pay attention and understand crafting in order to successfully complete end game crafts?

[ForteNightshade]

Do you really not see how hamstrung a game's market and economy is when 95% of what you can make has no value to other people because they can make it too?

You know.

One of the factors for this thread?

While I do somewhat agree even if I was never a huge fan of Specialists. A bigger issue is how easy the recipes have become, and how overpowered certainly abilities are. You can craft every single item in the game without overmelding anything beyond grade IV materia. If you actually use VIII's in your guaranteed slots, you don't even need to overmeld much, period. And you'll have a near guaranteed HQ rate. Before Shadowbringers, and especially back in Heavensward, it took some serious melding to reach guaranteed macro status. I don't recall if it was even possible in Heavensward as I think people still manually input the finishing touches.

So really, it's a contribution of everything that made crafting steadily lose value to the state it's in now.

[Liam_Harper]

Do you really not see how hamstrung a game's market and economy is when 95% of what you can make has no value to other people because they can make it too?

You know.

One of the factors for this thread?

No I don't.

The economy for high end non-specialist items was fine before ShB, although beginning to decline in 4.2 onwards. The reason being that crafting was and is now, miles too easy at the high end. I'd rather the endgame economy was kept running by making endgame crafting something you work for, rather than putting 5 of my crafters off-limits. The current system where it's a small bonus is fine for me.

[NanaWiloh]

Yes you're right, if it is possible to use macros to do the crafts and always (or almost always) get a HQ result, then it definitely makes sense to use macros. And it's pretty much impossible for me to play multiple accounts without macros lol.

But what I hope for, is that the changes in crafting and difficulty of end game crafts will be such that macros will be unable to consistently get a HQ result. Force crafters to actually understand crafting mechanics and be involved in each end game craft, rather than clicking a few macros and bam, an end game craft is done. As long as a few macros guarantee HQ results, crafting is nearly mindless, once you're geared properly and have a good rotation. Would raiding be fun if all you had to do was gear up and have two macros made for each boss? You just walk into a boss fight and click two macros and it's guaranteed to die?

What I would like is interactive crafting (for end game crafts), where crafting becomes something a player actually does... rather than something the game does for us (like it is now). It would be simple to make it so conditions change during crafting that make using macros impossible, for example if you perform a touch action at the wrong time, your CP drops by 100, if you perform a synthesis action at the wrong time, your durability decreases by 3x what it normally would, these are just examples. Bottom line - you fail the crafting mechanics, you need to rely on RNG to get HQ, but if you do everything correctly, HQ is guaranteed. It would force players to actually understand crafting and perform well in order to obtain HQ end game crafts. Perform all the correct crafting actions at the right time and you'll HQ, just like how in combat we need to perform the correct actions at the correct time in order to defeat bosses. Is it not logical that players should actually need to pay attention and understand crafting in order to successfully complete end game crafts?

Someone suggested something like what your mentioning once in a different thread its a double edge sword. There are far too many rotations in this game too try and force people to hit certain actions at certain times. No amount of programing is going to help the game recognize what would be the best action to use next. RNG and logic are polar opposites you cant make them get along one of them will always try to call the shots and screw over the other. Crafting has plenty of variables already just too many powerful ways to counter those variables. Comparing crafting to raiding really does not work as bosses with very few exceptions follow a set attack pattern. Once you know the attack pattern you can dance circles around the boss that is so long as the rest of the group can as well. I have had my fair share of trying to master this system and its a headache that makes raiding look like a joke. You need a crap ton of mats to practice crafting rotations, on top of having every cross class skill. Now imagine if raiding required every battle class leveled and a huge number of mats for you to practice your rotation.

As for Maco's removing them will not force anyone to learn anything as they are not what stop people from learning. Its the vast number of guides and information provided by players who master the system that stops people from learning. Rng will not solve the issue either as will it hurt everyone as it removes the benefit of knowledge. The rotations I have input them with a macro or manually does not matter the result is the same every time.

I appologize for my reply being all over the place. Didnt have all the wheels upstairs going when I posted.

[NanaWiloh]

According to Mr.happy patches notes will be up tomorrow so will all be able too see the changes. :O Get your gloves on boys and girls

[CookiesNCreams]

According to Mr.happy patches notes will be up tomorrow so will all be able too see the changes. :O Get your gloves on boys and girls

Sometimes they don’t show what actually changed, and it may only get updated a day before the patch is out. Hopefully you’re right though! I’m excited lol

[NanaWiloh]

I want to know what was removed action wise so I can clean my bar ahead of time.

[CookiesNCreams]

I want to know what was removed action wise so I can clean my bar ahead of time.

I’m more interested in what exactly got nerfed, merged, or all of the above. Basically, I want to know the mechanics of each individual action.

[NanaWiloh]

I’m more interested in what exactly got nerfed, merged, or all of the above. Basically, I want to know the mechanics of each individual action.

I have no doubt prepratory touch got nerfed. 200% effiency 70% success with a 36 cp cost, I would bet good gil that success rate took a nice hit or the cp cost went up. Pretty sure quite a few more of the new actions got nailed as well they all seemed to be way to powerful. The 200% alone warrants keeping the success rate down to 50% or lower especially since it gives 2 stack of IQ.

[CookiesNCreams]

I have no doubt prepratory touch got nerfed. 200% effiency 70% success with a 36 cp cost, I would bet good gil that success rate took a nice hit or the cp cost went up. Pretty sure quite a few more of the new actions got nailed as well they all seemed to be way to powerful. The 200% alone warrants keeping the success rate down to 50% or lower especially since it gives 2 stack of IQ.

Preparatory touch isn’t really the problem though. Although it does help to nerf it. The two problems would be prudent touch and delicate synthesis. Nerf those, and crafting is saved.