Removing unnecessary buttons (SCH)

[EpicOverlord85]

don't be so smartass, 1st of all, I never said to reduce dps to 0 on any class
2nd of all, try to level up bishop on lineage 2 solo on low rate server, have you ever tried it ? NO ? you had totally ZERO damage skills there, ZERO NULL, you have to take freaking dual sword and use autoattack with soulshots and heal you up when you are too damaged

THAT how healers worked on old games, that why its make me laugh that scholar's DPS drama, I would kill for skill like broil or even bio on my old bishop
so don't tell me its immposible :P

and i know TOO well how this game works

That was then, this is now. Those were old games, this is FF14. Correct if I’m wrong, but you seem to be arguing that FF14’s combat should function exactly like older MMOs to keep the holy trinity “pure” which is certainly not a sentiment I can say i share. Personally? I like the fact it plays differently.

Also how would a zero damage dealing healer get through the single player content we already have?

[EpicOverlord85]

Indeed it is, in the old mmo. There is no need to compare with other game. its not relevant, we were comfortable with the previous dps cycle
But i do agree this drama need to end, i myself rant all i want in a day in fc chat.
Then just sleep it off, let the disappointment seeps away to start anew tomorrow
Its not that bad, just embrace the changes and move on.
SCH is still my favourite class

I really don’t think it’s a good idea to embrace these changes. SCH and AST have some major issues that need to be addressed and they won’t be if we as a community just lay back and let Square do what they want. I agree the drama isn’t fun, but it’s necessary sadly.

[Billythepancake]

I really don’t think it’s a good idea to embrace these changes. SCH and AST have some major issues that need to be addressed and they won’t be if we as a community just lay back and let Square do what they want. I agree the drama isn’t fun, but it’s necessary sadly.

Exactly that. There are problems we want addressed, and the only way to get SE to listen to us is by making noise. If we sat by quietly then they would just keep things the way they are. Theres also a misconception that we whine out of entitlement, or that we want SE to fail, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The drama and the criticisms stem from a love for the game and the classes we play, and we simply want them to be fun so we can continue to support SE in this game that we dump thousands of hours in.

[Takahiro]

Exactly that. There are problems we want addressed, and the only way to get SE to listen to us is by making noise. If we sat by quietly then they would just keep things the way they are. Theres also a misconception that we whine out of entitlement, or that we want SE to fail, but that couldn't be further from the truth. The drama and the criticisms stem from a love for the game and the classes we play, and we simply want them to be fun so we can continue to support SE in this game that we dump thousands of hours in.

A favorite qoute of mine is "Anger imples caring. Someone who does not care, would not get angry."

[Billythepancake]

Strange, I remember hitting Banish and Holy on my WHM in FF11. I remember flipping between White Arts for healing and Black Arts for control/magic burst as FF11 SCH. I remember the Damage-Dealer/Healer hybrid my friend made in City of Heroes. I remember my all-rounder support in SMT IMAGINE that healed, buffed, and also found time to press Maha-Dyne damage skills to add AoE DPS and crowd control (and there was NO pure healing build in that game. At most you had a pure-healer PET).

It's not "old games versus new," it's down to the individual design of each. FF14 does not have a design that encourages a healing focus even HALF the time. Mostly because the healers are too good at healing and incoming damage isn't persistent enough. I can top the party up in FF14 as WHM or SCH at nearly no cost in resources or time, something I couldn't do in SWtOR as a Jedi Sage Seer where nearly all of my heals were single target, my AoE's were on long cooldowns, and any heal that wasn't my "OH S**T!" buttons didn't restore much per cast. I hardly DPS'd in that game (and I hear WoW is similar) because encounter design didn't LET me. I had to constantly heal, while being careful what I used for healing because choosing wrong meant I'd be out of Force Points 5 minutes down the line and the party would wipe. Also because I had other things to be doing when not healing instead (CC, threat management, a raid buff).

Meanwhile, FF14 strips out support, crowd control, and threat management tools expansion after expansion, boiling the roles ever further down to their base, leaving healers with less and less to do besides DPS because the bloated healing kits are overtuned for even the most difficult of content. With the cherry on top being that SE then makes that DPS utterly dull and unengaging. We're left bored between damage spikes, if there even ARE any once people begin to outgear content.

Yes, this idea of "others had it worse so you have nothing to complain about" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Just because other games had poor design does not excuse another game of having poor design. That's like if I played Sonic 06 and then I said "its not bad, because at least its not bubsy 3D"

[ksuyen]

"Summon Seraph"/"Consolation" pair. Yes I can see this work, but why not just replace Fey Union button with Consolation the way Angel's Whisper replacing Whispering Dawn, and increase the potency instead of make it available twice.

"Lucid Dreaming" - I say keep this as is, also all healers have access to this so it's not SCH specific.

"Repose" - same as above, and also this spell can be helpful during soloing with multiple adds.

"Ruin II" - We need this during movement, otherwise Broil 3 + ruin 2 combo is already perfect IMHO.

"Emergency Tactics" - Keep this as this is part of SCH mechanic.

Now the ones that I see could be removed:
1. Aetherflow
2. Deployment Tactics - to merge with Emergency Tactics
3. Dissipation - to be auto-cast when summon Seraph

[Impurrrsive]

Now the ones that I see could be removed:
1. Aetherflow
2. Deployment Tactics - to merge with Emergency Tactics
3. Dissipation - to be auto-cast when summon Seraph

Aetherflow... Hmm we need it outside battle, if want to remove it might as well replace it with the new ED, but its still not outside battle, not to be able to replenish the stack outside battle is annoying

Deployment tactics - cannot.... Thus simply cannot... How to make it work? Its totally different purpose

Dissipation - i will lose my seraph the moment i summon it, so... No

[ksuyen]

Aetherflow... Hmm we need it outside battle, if want to remove it might as well replace it with the new ED, but its still not outside battle, not to be able to replenish the stack outside battle is annoying

Deployment tactics - cannot.... Thus simply cannot... How to make it work? Its totally different purpose

Dissipation - i will lose my seraph the moment i summon it, so... No

Easy, remove AF totally, it doesn't serve any purpose rather than another cost. We already have MP and Faerie gauge, use either one.

DT+ET
Extends Galvanize effect cast on self or target to nearby party members - and transform THE NEXT galvanize status into HP equaling the amount of damage reduction intended for the barrier. Succor after adlo will do the trick.

Dissipation + Seraph
Summon Seraph while granting you a full Aetherflow stack and increases healing magic potency by 20%. Get rid the 'orders faerie away' aspect.

[Impurrrsive]

Easy, remove AF totally, it doesn't serve any purpose rather than another cost. We already have MP and Faerie gauge, use either one

We will loss a mechanism where we can sustain our mp... still a no

Hmm... DT+ET might applicable eventho each have situation

Dissipation and seraph, might be better if they remove the faery away aspect only

[Dynia]

Please stop with the elitism and condescending tones.

I don't wanna show how "pro" im, I want show to younger players how harder games was in the past and few nerfs is not end of the world, history know harder nerfs

this is same happen to dark souls series, ppls call it hard for today standards, I call this game have normal difficulty cause I remember how harder games was in the past