Being denied the ability to ask questions in Feast is miserable

[Gallus]

And for what? To cater to pantywaists who become emotionally distressed when people say mean things about their play in a video game?

Because the root of the problem is that people are too sensitive of course, people should enjoy getting insulted, wished cancer and asked to kill themselves over a lost match. People can't behave on the internet it's 2019 you should know this by now, PVP communities are sewers and people have repeteadly demonstrated the inability to not react like demented monkeys with anger issues when things go wrong. If you want PVP advice ask around in the forums, your FC or even in the same wolves den. There's also a PVP discord channel if I'm not mistaken, though I've heard a few horror stories about it. Your call.

[UnrealTai]

Honestly no chat in FL should be a thing too. The majority of leads in FL giving directions are bad/wrong and the sheep spread that around making even more players bad/wrong. If people went in blind they'd have to observe what was actually best instead of reading and sticking to bad tactical decisions from a bad majority of "leads". At minimum alliance chat should be disabled.

[Nova_Rox]

Because the root of the problem is that people are too sensitive of course, people should enjoy getting insulted, wished cancer and asked to kill themselves over a lost match. People can't behave on the internet it's 2019 you should know this by now, PVP communities are sewers and people have repeteadly demonstrated the inability to not react like demented monkeys with anger issues when things go wrong. If you want PVP advice ask around in the forums, your FC or even in the same wolves den. There's also a PVP discord channel if I'm not mistaken, though I've heard a few horror stories about it. Your call.

The fact that you claim it's only in PvP shows how biased you are. I implore you go do some PF runs of CURRENT Ex/Savage content. Or actually, even some nice casual 24 mans. If you say the toxicity doesn't exist there, then...sorry, you're just lying.

By your logic we shouldn't be allowed to chat anywhere in the game. Your examples are extreme examples which, quite frankly, are nothing more than a straw man. Please kindly reconsider how your respond to the topic at hand until you're ready to leave emotionally charged buzz words out of it. It's fairly safe to assume that most players don't want folks getting cancer wished upon them and whatnot.

I'm also curious about said horror stories from MODERN days about the discord channels. I'm an admin for Revival Wings and a mentor in PvPaissa and I seem to have missed them. Kindly bring them to my attention, or others that are involved in leadership.

Blacklist exist for a reason, i don't see why everyone should be penalized cause crybabies don't want to use it.

I agree. Blacklist and reports should be how chat is handled in PvP. Handout nice long bans/temp bans for the extreme cases our friend Gallus pointed out up top.

At the VERY least let us chat pre/post game. The amount of new players with no idea where to go for guidance is astonishing. The amount of new players that get chased away because they think "Hello!" is BM is probably just as scary.

[BrianRicardo]

Because the root of the problem is that people are too sensitive of course, people should enjoy getting insulted, wished cancer and asked to kill themselves over a lost match. People can't behave on the internet it's 2019 you should know this by now, PVP communities are sewers and people have repeteadly demonstrated the inability to not react like demented monkeys with anger issues when things go wrong. If you want PVP advice ask around in the forums, your FC or even in the same wolves den. There's also a PVP discord channel if I'm not mistaken, though I've heard a few horror stories about it. Your call.

Bad people exist in all communities. You should not let some people influence how you think about everybody. We are all individuals. That type of thinking of "all THOSE people" are a problem, is why we have so much issues in the world . It's also why PVP in this game on NA side is difficult for people to go in. That negativity you spread, just goes from person to person and discourages people.

[Alathon]

Dude you assume you'd get constructive feedback or tips in Feast. You won't. No one is going to make the effort to teach you how to play. You're just going to get heckled at and berrated until you quit completely.

I don't think having chat is worth the aggravation of having to be forced to listen to toxic babies who can't handle losses in a videogame.

With that said, I'm fine with an option for people to opt in and out of feast chat. Id that happens, I hope you enjoy and "learn" from the thousands of "l2p" and various profanities hurled your way.

You jest, but not only would I learn what things elicit their frustrated jabs, I would learn about the players. Who is worth hanging out with, and who is too lacking in self-control to be worth the effort. After most of a decade of playing League of Legends, I can honestly say that I have learned a lot from team chat, no matter how much mockery and invective gets thrown around. It's one of the advantages of living by the adage 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me'.

They're not wrong. When chat is active in pvp the first instinct of many is to belittle, berate and do everything in their power to prop themselves up at the expense of others. Failing that they will piss moan and insult their teammates when losing while doing little to nothing to put forth effort.

It's kind of funny...and sad when people will act like the rear end of an incontinent horse then wonder why stuff like chat is revoked. Like, how dare consequences occour for my actions? If ya don't want privileges revoked try not acting like a raging 12 year old.

Smugly championing the removal of privileges for all on account of the actions of some reflects poor character. Poor logic as well, because even in FFXIV's "friendly, welcoming" PvE environment there is no lack of snide, deliberately hostile commentary. This morning, not even twelve hours after the content was released, I watched a tank babyrage at healers failing mechanics in the fourth Eden raid. "bruh....", "BRUH", "BRUHHHH", and so forth after they got punted off the platform, leading into full sentences of bitching and moaning. Were your logic to be utilized outside of PvP, it would surely mean the removal of chat from all duty finder content.

[NyneSwordz]

You jest, but not only would I learn what things elicit their frustrated jabs, I would learn about the players. Who is worth hanging out with, and who is too lacking in self-control to be worth the effort. After most of a decade of playing League of Legends, I can honestly say that I have learned a lot from team chat, no matter how much mockery and invective gets thrown around. It's one of the advantages of living by the adage 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me'.



Smugly championing the removal of privileges for all on account of the actions of some reflects poor character. Poor logic as well, because even in FFXIV's "friendly, welcoming" PvE environment there is no lack of snide, deliberately hostile commentary. This morning, not even twelve hours after the content was released, I watched a tank babyrage at healers failing mechanics in the fourth Eden raid. "bruh....", "BRUH", "BRUHHHH", and so forth after they got punted off the platform, leading into full sentences of bitching and moaning. Were your logic to be utilized outside of PvP, it would surely mean the removal of chat from all duty finder content.

Let's be real. It's NOWHERE near as toxic in pve as it is in pvp.

You just citing one example of pve toxicity doesn't change that fact.

AND the group can easily boot the manbaby and replace him with someone else. You can't do that in pvp.

There are so many differences between pve and pvp and I'm not sure why you're just ignoring it.

Go play some more LoL then if getting called names is your jam.

[Nova_Rox]

Let's be real. It's NOWHERE near as toxic in pve as it is in pvp.

You just citing one example of pve toxicity doesn't change that fact.

AND the group can easily boot the manbaby and replace him with someone else. You can't do that in pvp.

There are so many differences between pve and pvp and I'm not sure why you're just ignoring it.

Go play some more LoL then if getting called names is your jam.

Let's be real. It's NOWHERE near as toxic in PvP as it is in PvP.

You just citing one example of PvP toxicity doesn't change that fact.

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See how that works? Point is that there are toxic folks in both places, this is fact. There's no way to say one is more toxic than the other. At the end of the day there are bad apples everywhere, stop trying to make it seem like it's only in PvP.

[Gallus]

The fact that you claim it's only in PvP shows how biased you are. I implore you go do some PF runs of CURRENT Ex/Savage content. Or actually, even some nice casual 24 mans. If you say the toxicity doesn't exist there, then...sorry, you're just lying.

By your logic we shouldn't be allowed to chat anywhere in the game. Your examples are extreme examples which, quite frankly, are nothing more than a straw man. Please kindly reconsider how your respond to the topic at hand until you're ready to leave emotionally charged buzz words out of it. It's fairly safe to assume that most players don't want folks getting cancer wished upon them and whatnot.

Biased?

It's called experience. I've been playing this game since ARR, witnessed and ran through almost every savage, many times without a static, outright pugging savage fights, ex primals, running through thousands of dungeons, I've completed I'd say 90% of the extreme primals of all expansions, and most of them I did it with people who I did not know. Yes, you come across the occasional douche that will complain even about the silliest thing, and the tank/healer disputes pop up occasionally too.

However, compare this with the amount of malodorous, insane and obnoxious garbage I've witnessed when I played PVP and you instantly realize that PVE is like a paradise of good behaviour.
Insulting personal messages, chat flooding with hello! followed by an ignore mark spammed on your head every second for the next 3 minutes (you'd think removing chat would stop toxicity right? think again).
And it's not just this game.

Tekken? Personal message through PSN telling you that you are a spammer and that you should kill yourself (along with disconnects at the very last second so that your opponent knows you won't get your points).

League of Legends? Getting wished cancer is probably the softest sort of flame you'll receive if anyone thinks they've lost a ranked match because of you.

Overwatch? Again, nasty stuff regarding what hero you should pick or stop picking because someone considers the team is losing because of you. From threatening messages to any sort of hate mail.

Could go on forever.

And then you'd think...perhaps I'm the problem right? Perhaps the harassment is justified and I'm actually dragging my team down so people are often mad at me? But how does that make any sense when you have a 70% winning rate League of Legends Diamond rank account? Wanna know the answer? Even with a 70% winning rate you still lose, and when that happens flame occurs. It's automatic.

And then you have PVE, things like Resident Evil 5 and mercenaries, which I played for hundreds of hours and had not received a single insult (not a freaking single insult throughout months) even when things went wrong and me and my ally were bitten to death because of my fault. Could give you a lot of more examples like RE5 but the wall of text is big enough already.

Biased?

More like 15 years of gaming online experience on my shoulders seeing what kind of stuff you come across in PVE and what kind of stuff you come across in PVP.

Oh and I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to chat. I'm not the one deciding to remove the chat because PVP communities behave like monkeys with anger issues. Companies do that. Have you ever asked yourself why the FFXIV PVE chat is not disabled while the PVP one is?

Like yeah, keep lying to yourself, for what I care.

[Nova_Rox]

Biased?

It's called experience. I've been playing this game since ARR, witnessed and ran through almost every savage, many times without a static, outright pugging savage fights, ex primals, running through thousands of dungeons, I've completed I'd say 90% of the extreme primals of all expansions, and most of them I did it with people who I did not know. Yes, you come across the occasional douche that will complain even about the silliest thing, and the tank/healer disputes pop up occasionally too.

However, compare this with the amount of malodorous, insane and obnoxious garbage I've witnessed when I played PVP and you instantly realize that PVE is like a paradise of good behaviour.
Insulting personal messages, chat flooding with hello! followed by an ignore mark spammed on your head every second for the next 3 minutes (you'd think removing chat would stop toxicity right? think again).
And it's not just this game.

Tekken? Personal message through PSN telling you that you are a spammer and that you should kill yourself (along with disconnects at the very last second so that your opponent knows you won't get your points).

League of Legends? Getting wished cancer is probably the softest sort of flame you'll receive if anyone thinks they've lost a ranked match because of you.

Overwatch? Again, nasty stuff regarding what hero you should pick or stop picking because someone considers the team is losing because of you. From threatening messages to any sort of hate mail.

Could go on forever.

And then you'd think...perhaps I'm the problem right? Perhaps the harassment is justified and I'm actually dragging my team down so people are often mad at me? But how does that make any sense when you have a 70% winning rate League of Legends Diamond rank account? Wanna know the answer? Even with a 70% winning rate you still lose, and when that happens flame occurs. It's automatic.

And then you have PVE, things like Resident Evil 5 and mercenaries, which I played for hundreds of hours and had not received a single insult (not a freaking single insult throughout months) even when things went wrong and me and my ally were bitten to death because of my fault. Could give you a lot of more examples like RE5 but the wall of text is big enough already.

Biased?

More like 15 years of gaming online experience on my shoulders seeing what kind of stuff you come across in PVE and what kind of stuff you come across in PVP.

Oh and I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to chat. I'm not the one deciding to remove the chat because PVP communities behave like monkeys with anger issues. Companies do that. Have you ever asked yourself why the FFXIV PVE chat is not disabled while the PVP one is?

Like yeah, keep lying to yourself, for what I care.

You list off a bunch of things that have literally nothing to do with anything at hand.

You list off your "accomplishments" as if it means something. Guess what? It doesn't. The fact that you've been gaming for 15 years means nothing, especially when you consider the fact that you know nothing about me and for all you know I've been gaming even longer. So just stop. It doesn't add anything to what you're saying.

You're so closed minded that it's mind boggling.

Here, let me spell it out for you. The same people you claim to be toxic in PvP also play PvE. I want you to answer honestly, how many times do people say "I'm only here for tomes xd" when you're playing? How many of THOSE are the ones that are complaining in chat? It's insane to me how you cannot realize that the same people you complain about in PvP are playing PvE with you...and probably play PvE as their main source of entertainment.

The answer? Most of them.

How do I know? Because I'm part of that PvP community you're so adamant is rotten to the core and I'm sick and tired of people like you coming online to bash the ENTIRE PvP community with generalizations. It's disgusting and needs to stop.

https://pvpaissa.com/

Check it out. Go see how many community ran events we've hosted. Join us in our Discord servers and see for yourself how friendly folks are. No, I'm serious. Come on in with an open mind and see for yourself the truly dedicated folks like myself, the other PvPaissa staff members and the Revival Wings admins. Come and see how hard we work to keep a fun community for everyone.

To go through so much work and put in so much effort just to have some random person talk without any knowledge is just outrageous.

So yeah, keep lying to yourself, for what I care.

[Ixon]

Oh and I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to chat. I'm not the one deciding to remove the chat because PVP communities behave like monkeys with anger issues. Companies do that. Have you ever asked yourself why the FFXIV PVE chat is not disabled while the PVP one is?

Like yeah, keep lying to yourself, for what I care.

Let's make something clear, FFXIV PVP isn't toxic; some PEOPLE who play in FFXIV PVP are. You cannot slap a broad generalization based off your biased opinion and state is as fact. There are bad/toxic people who do every sort of content: Savage raids, Hunts; did you ever do BA? That was the most toxic stuff I have EVER seen. And no shit competitive ANYTHING can be toxic, it's in it's nature sometimes. Emotions get very high, some swing in a good way, other times is doesn't, you cannot possibly avoid every bad egg in the world.

And to answer your question, you know why PVP chat was disabled? Cause it was easy. That's literally it. In a high emotional state that is ANY PVP in ANY game, measures are taken to reduce toxicity, Overwatch is a great example, but that is a game built on PVP. Where in FFXIV it's in addition to, it costs time and resources to manage that kind of stuff like Overwatch does, and because PVE is more of the focus, it was easier to just cut it without actually fixing it. Disabling chat literally did nothing to stop toxic people from being toxic. They just find more inventive ways.