Being denied the ability to ask questions in Feast is miserable

[Gallus]

It could still create some problems, as repeatedly meeting the same person you think is causing your game losses could potentially create nasty conversations that could result in either some people downright afking before even the match starts or at the very least have a very negative predisposition towards even attempting to play seriously to win the match. And given the limited amount of people queueing, meeting the same players happens fairly often.

To be fair, this is already happening with ignore marks, but a storm of insults before the match starts would certainly add salt to the wound and only make things even worse.

Though I still sort of...agree...to a certain extent, that if SE was to put the chat back, what could possibly work best is to only have it unlocked before the match starts.

Something tells me that that's not going to happen though, as SE is very sensitive with people harassing others, and FFXIV's PVP history doesn't have a good record for being chill and well mannered.

[Nalien]

To be fair, this is already happening with ignore marks, but a storm of insults before the match starts would certainly add salt to the wound and only make things even worse.

And... Then they'd get reported, muted and hopefully learn their lesson? If not, they get muted again, this time permanently... For such players effectively nothing would change, they'd still end up muted... I don't get how I can make this any clearer...

[Gallus]

And... Then they'd get reported, muted and hopefully learn their lesson? If not, they get muted again, this time permanently... For such players effectively nothing would change, they'd still end up muted... I don't get how I can make this any clearer...

And then we'd possibly be back to square one with SE claiming to have an overwhelming amount of reports involving harassment pre-match.

This isn't a fight between me and you though, I'm not the one you have to convince here, the PVP community speaks for itself with its behavior and actions, and you are the ones that ultimately will demonstrate SE whether what you are suggesting could actually work or not.

[Nalien]

And then we'd possibly be back to square one with SE claiming to have an overwhelming amount of reports involving harassment pre-match.

We wouldn't be right back at square one, because the toxic players would eventually be permanently muted, as they currently are. We'd be in the exact same situation we're in now after one season, the only difference being only the toxic players would be muted, the helpful players wouldn't be and can instead foster a more positive community as a result...

Heck, I'd say they're still getting an influx of reports involving post-game /tell harassment, mid-match quickchat and ignore mark spam and such when seasons start... All they did with the blanket mute was bury their heads in the sand. The problem hasn't gone away, it's just evolved, and it's actually evolved into something that's harder for GMs to tackle since a lot of the time it's not verbal based. You know what that does? It indirectly encourages such behaviour, because when people know they can get away with something, they're going to do it... If you actually have a punishment system in place, it deters toxicity. If you actually let the positive people speak, it counter-balances the toxicity as well... Win-win.

This isn't a fight between me and you though, I'm not the one you have to convince here

If nothing else it's a nice excuse to voice such opinions in the misguided hope that the community reps might pass them along to SE, but this is XIV and it is SE... So yeah, nothing will change, though they're welcome to prove me wrong.