Pulling Wall to Wall as DRK

[Corath]

So I'm level 74 DRK atm and have been having a difficult time pulling the wall to wall pulls as i used to in Stormblood. I usually run in with the usual aoe openers, pop Flood for Dark Arts and keep walking to the next pull. Once collected i use the Arm's Length and previous mitigations as necessary while spamming the AOEs.

Just from running how I have been i can only survive with 2 pulls but never 3, i'm not sure if this is because I'm not mitigating properly or what since I'm usually with a decent Healer and DPS. I know I have seen other DRKs pull all the way so I'm just curious if i am missing something

[Unsung_Wanderer]

From my experience tanks just take way more damage, I think the only tank that can still do it in most content is paladin because of how strong clemency is. Also I think warriors can do it post 76 with their flash skill, but it's been dicey even with it to be honest.

[Typhoria]

So I'm level 74 DRK atm and have been having a difficult time pulling the wall to wall pulls as i used to in Stormblood. I usually run in with the usual aoe openers, pop Flood for Dark Arts and keep walking to the next pull. Once collected i use the Arm's Length and previous mitigations as necessary while spamming the AOEs.

Just from running how I have been i can only survive with 2 pulls but never 3, i'm not sure if this is because I'm not mitigating properly or what since I'm usually with a decent Healer and DPS. I know I have seen other DRKs pull all the way so I'm just curious if i am missing something

Wall to wall pulling feels like a crap shoot right now. What I typically do is start with a smaller pull, if the dps and heals seem fine I'll go larger.

I've had too many groups where DPS don't even AoE when the first pack is 4+ enemies or where the healer just stands there until I'm at 30-40% health without even doing damage.

Pretty much if either of those are the case, I'd rather not stress the rest of the group by mass pulling. Healers can only keep you up so long when things aren't dying at a decent rate. Additionally, the DPS doesn't matter if you only get one heal every 15s. Just don't be one of those tanks that think 1 CD for a big pull is enough.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Yeah... it definitely feels like that these changes are more for punishing speed runners, but at the same time they punish everyone else that got caught in the crossfire...

[Duskane]

its possible with all 4 to pull wall to wall
just depends on the team

tank proper CD management
healer proper healing and mitigation
and in general if DPS is good enough

[cactuarzzzz]

Maybe you need WHM for the Holy spam? I think it would make your task easier if you get the BLM/SMN as well.

[Martine]

I was still using my 400 raid gear because it was honestly better until the 76 stuff. I can tell you, it HURTS to try it below max level. Now that I have my 440 gear, it makes it easier, but still a bit painful to pull wall to wall, depending on how big the pull is.

[Ventura_Highway]

I can do it in the level 75 dungeon but I remember getting fried trying that in Holminster.

[TouchandFeel]

I've been successfully doing wall to wall pulls on DRK through all the leveling dungeons and expert dungeons. This has been in groups with players of drastically varying skill levels. Only time I have ever died was when the healer literally refused to heal me if I even tried a big pull, just "nope, not healing big pulls" and leaving me to die.

Basically all you need to do is make sure you are using TBN whenever it is off cooldown and layering in other defensive abilities as necessary.
Also, don't stop and do a Flood on the first group before moving to the next. Just tag the first group, hit sprint and go to the next. You are stretching out the actual pull which means more unnecessary damage and more chance a dps will rip hate during that time.

[IvoYaridovich]

You also just can't wall to wall mindlessly anymore, in most of the dungeons there are trash mobs with interruptible casts that'll do massive aoe or buff themselves or even trash mobs that do unavoidable tank busters. You'll want to watch for, stun, and interrupt to keep them from melting you faster than you can sustain yourself and your healer can heal you. Things that come to mind are Berserk from the big Lizard things in the Twinning, or Niuahato (or however you spell that) from the living statues in Academy.

I feel its a bit harder to wall to wall pull in Shadowbringers so far (without making your healer want to strangle you or cause a wipe), but its doable if you're paying attention and know what to look for.