Thread: Comments on Patch 1.21

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Jobs work better when every player in the team knows how to play their role effectively, and fall apart when any 1 role is not performing.

Classes allow for more independent success.

Also, I lol'ed at BLM's preferring THM. In any competent party, that would be a direct downgrade. Losing Flare, Sleepga and especially Convert and Freeze you reduce your ability as a DD greatly.

actually in all honesty you do not lose any damage output regardless if you are on thm or blm. if you are managing your hate and effectively playing your job and class you do not take a hit by being on thm. convert is not used in most long boss battles. the mp skills from bard effectively take care of that along with your normal resting due to hate.

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

You know what's better than Chameleon to help out with that enmity ceiling?

Chameleon + Freeze.

To each his own though. I guess everyone figures things out at their own pace.

you do realize that thm has the same number of hate reducing abilities as blm right? yes, they both have 2. thm has 2 that are cross classed and blm has one ability of their own and 1 cross classed. don't try to act like a blm has all these hate reducing abilities and thm does not.

i've parsed with both my blm with all its abilities and compared it to my thm with its cross class abilities. in ifrit i did a grand total of 1500 less damage on my thm, but as a thm i was also keeping up protect and stoneskin while just nuking as blm. so during the entire fight i did a total of 1 combo less damage on thm while keeping up buffs on the other party members. i'd say that is pretty close to even.

to each his own. i guess you never realized how to play thm. i guess you are right and everyone figures things out at their own pace.

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

What is this 2nd ability you are referring to?

since they can both use chameleon and quelling strike that is one that both class and job has.

yes, blm does have freeze on addition to those , but if they are used properly then you will not be pulling hate from either the job or the class. thm also has the extra abilities such as invigorate to build tp for second wind and rampart and sentinel for when you do have those rare oops moments. it also has the ability to give the party additional buffs when they are needed.

in dungeons in which you are running and facing multiple mobs at once, yes, i can say blm would be more needed due to the fact it has sleepaga, but in a one on one confrontation such as ifrit i have seen very little to say that blm should be used in end game content like that over a thm. to me it's more of a pick which you prefer because i haven't seen any parse results showing that one is superior to the other.

all i am saying is that one is just as viable as the other in terms of party play. when the 2 classes were parsed on back to back runs there was very little difference in the results. i am not saying that blm is bad, but more of saying that with the additional mp abilities from bard the thm is still just as viable as it was before because it can still just as easily get hate as blm does so it's not too much of a trade off.

Originally Posted by Masamune1004

BLM has: Freeze, Chameleon, Quelling Strike

THM has: Chameleon, Quelling Strike

Am I missing one for THM? Seriously asking, my memory isn't too good.

nah i updated my post to explain. i look at freeze as a good or bad thing. it states it reduces enmity, but it was funny that i pulled hate from our tank last night using it. it could have been the dot from flare pushed me over the limit before freeze landed, but soon as it hit the mob turned and went to me. i will need to check it more to know which was the case on that so i updated each skill and what i meant by the abilities each of them have.

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

thm also has the extra abilities such as invigorate to build tp for second wind and rampart and sentinel for when you do have those rare oops moments. it also has the ability to give the party additional buffs when they are needed.

i look at freeze as a good or bad thing. it states it reduces enmity, but it was funny that i pulled hate from our tank last night using it. it could have been the dot from flare pushed me over the limit before freeze landed, but soon as it hit the mob turned and went to me. i will need to check it more to know which was the case on that so i updated each skill and what i meant by the abilities each of them have.

First you demonstrate your inability to count the 3 enmity reduction abilities of BLM versus the 2 of THM. When called out on it you then try to tell me Freeze may not be reducing enmity all that much when I've repeatedly used it to bring me down from red to yellow or even green whilst doing a large amount of damage. I've also confirmed similar enmity reduction from fellow BLM players - and believe me when I say the job is very popular so there's plenty of people to confirm with.

To add to all that you're telling me that invigorate matters for THM now after they removed the TP cost of Second Wind.

Seriously, are you even trying? By all means, have fun on your THM, guy. Just know you don't speak for everyone - not even the majority at this point.