Thread: Comments on Patch 1.21

Originally Posted by Coglin

Exactly...

Where then should they be used? o.0

Just about everywhere. If you utilize the benfits of each job together in the manner that they are intended to mesh, they will generally work together as a group to out do a group of classes.

You just said that Jobs are not meant to replace classes in all situations, and then say that they should be used just about everywhere. (o.0 )

Jobs work better when every player in the team knows how to play their role effectively, and fall apart when any 1 role is not performing.

Classes allow for more independent success.

Also, I lol'ed at BLM's preferring THM. In any competent party, that would be a direct downgrade. Losing Flare, Sleepga and especially Convert and Freeze you reduce your ability as a DD greatly.

Last I checked, "just about everywhere" and "in all situations" have very different meanings. Every reference i made was to groups. I personally believe the classes would generally be supirior to jobs in solo or low man situations in which you do not have the right classes to mesh abilities.

If you want to discuss this subject we can. If your going to be incapable of doing so by making weak attempts to twist my words, then you will just start a flame war.

I think you are taking yourself a bit too seriously, sir. I was confused by your post, and stated just as much. o.0 The references I have made were also to groups. I have also said that the classes are superior in solo and low man situations.

Your previous points do nothing but underscore my own point, which is that the Jobs themselves are less utilitarian in particularly difficult situations, ostensibly when they should be at their finest. Saying thereafter that they arer dependent upon another class to achieve reasonable functionality in a difficult situation again only furthers my point. As simple a change as not locking off access to Stoneskin or Sentinel is sufficient to address the problem, or removing the HP penalty on Jobs compared to Classes. It needn't be both - perhaps there is even another idea that might be doable.

Pointing out a logical fallacy, real or imagined, does not equal beginning a flame war. ( O.o) Please calm yourself.

As for Sleepga, I grant that it is extremely useful in situations like Myrmidon Princess, but it's irrelevant to Ifrit or Moogle. (0.o) Freeze should not be necessary if your tank is competent, and to be honest, I've yet to be in a situation where my casters were screaming for MP. That doesn't mean that such situations don't exist, but I haven't encounter them yet. (O.< ) $0.02.

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

actually in all honesty you do not lose any damage output regardless if you are on thm or blm. if you are managing your hate and effectively playing your job and class you do not take a hit by being on thm. convert is not used in most long boss battles. the mp skills from bard effectively take care of that along with your normal resting due to hate.

You know what's better than Chameleon to help out with that enmity ceiling?

Chameleon + Freeze.

To each his own though. I guess everyone figures things out at their own pace.