On Fey Blessing...

[SayuyuYuyu]

The problem with Dissipation is (...)

I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's quite as bad as made out to be on the pretext that as of right now, Embrace is a bit lacking.
It's easy to supplement the Fairy's lack of healing during the Dissipation window by just dropping a Sacred Soil on the MT as well as the party after the raidwide damage goes out, and maybe Lustrate extra if necessary. Maybe even hold the Sacred Soil and let Whispering Dawn (which you should have used before Dissipating) keep the Tank's health in check.

I'd say it's also worth noting that Dissipations actual biggest problem from before got fixed, in that the Fairy now resummons itself. Before you'd only ever want to Dissipate to gain Energy Drains if there was downtime available for you to resummon the Fairy, since doing so in the middle of uptime is lost DPS. Off the top of recent memory, O11S had two windows right at the start (before and during Level Checker) and UWU has one window during the transition phase of Garuda to Ifrit, and during the transition from Titan to Ultima.
Before, with proper cooldown planning it was perfectly safe to Dissipate your fairy and not feel any healing consequence of it. Since value of Embraces has dropped in 5.0 amplifies this.

Obviously you wouldn't Dissipate if you had a Seraph window coming up or an extended period of time where the only damage going out is tank auto attacks, but if you're ever going to throw out your Recitation then you're doing yourself a lot of favours by squeezing out every last drop from it that you can.

[SayuyuYuyu]

People just talk without understanding the greatness of Fey Blessing, that’s just sad like do some ppl even think about things before typing them in here xD

Care explain the "greatness" of Fey Blessing to me then, because from where I stand it's a waste of an oGCD slot and a waste of 400 healing potency that could have just gone to the Tank instead. The only good that Fey Blessing can do is massively outshined by other abilities that fill the exact same purpose of Fey Blessing, except they do it better and more often.
Or are you just going to vaguely talk down to others without ever saying anything meaningful at all?

Just saying: Dissipation is horrible for many reasons, that’s tremendous and pointless to use xD

Again, elaborate. If you're going to make a statement then feel free to explain it.

[KDSilver]

Fey Blessing isn't meant to be as powerful as Whispering Dawn. It's just a direct heal on the party.
But to me, yes, while its looked good on the paper to have another skill using fairy gauge, that 10 gauge cost is just weird.

It would have been better without the cost and with how the fairy acted before (pet action not being characters action).

Otherwise, it feels "nice" coupled with Indom for an extra heal when HoT is not up and Indom not fully restoring HP bars (considering you need to heal your party because of several aoe party burst).

Not the best skills we got, but still has some nice uses.

[Eloah]

Again, elaborate. If you're going to make a statement then feel free to explain it.

I know this wasn't a reply to my post, but its the only post I feel I can use to draw attention to what I am about to say, and why Dissipation is one of the worst skills in the game. Since there is a lot of back and forth.

First, I will say, them finally making the faerie respawning is a long over do fix, that had they fixed it to be like that back in HW, when the skill dropped, it might not have such a bad rap now. But it does.

As stated, prior to ShB, the main use for Dissipation was DPS. It slightly offset the negative, more on that in a sec. But since they removed our only Aetherflow DPS skill, its main selling point is the healing buff, since Aetherflow is it's own demon now.

Anyways, as indicated with the faerie gone about 1/3 of your skills are unusable, and the other 1/3 are unaffected by the healing buff. The Fey Gauge also doesnt charge if the faerie isn't out. This means only Physick, Adloquium, and Succor benefit from the buff. Additionally, and especially at level 80, the faerie is meant to play a greater role in your healing output, so removing her seems counter intuitive. Each new healing skill past 70 is a faerie skill.

Now, onto it's main horror point, pointed out by a YouTube video I watched. WHM's Temperance and AST's Neutral Sect, both offer a 20% healing increase too; so what skills do they lose... nothing, they just get the healing buff, and in addition a buff specific to them; WHM damage reduction and AST the use of both sects. But SCH loses half its kit, seems fair.

Now someone did "point out" abou the whole Nocturnal Field and Galvanize effects not stacking, he was very adamant that the buff is wasted on a Diurnal AST. Well guess what only Nocturnal Field and Galvanize cant stack. The other 2 shields produced from the other AST skills are called Nocturnal Balance and Nocturnal Intersection. So similar to Catalyze and Seraphic Veil, all of those shields stack together. So there is no drawback. I mean I guess you could say that the WHM and AST buff lasting 20s and Dissipation lasting 30s is a drawback. I mean we have to suffer with basically 1/3 of our kit for 10s more, how is that fair.

Hopefully, that gives some insight as to why Dissipation is one of the most hated skills in the game. It's the current One Ilm Punch.

[Eloah]

Fey Blessing isn't meant to be as powerful as Whispering Dawn. It's just a direct heal on the party.
But to me, yes, while its looked good on the paper to have another skill using fairy gauge, that 10 gauge cost is just weird.

It would have been better without the cost and with how the fairy acted before (pet action not being characters action).

Otherwise, it feels "nice" coupled with Indom for an extra heal when HoT is not up and Indom not fully restoring HP bars (considering you need to heal your party because of several aoe party burst).

Not the best skills we got, but still has some nice uses.

I'd like the skill more if it worked similar to Fey Union, or at least a shorter CD. I mean come on, if your gonna keep nerfing the Faerie, will SCH ever get a spammable heal, that isn't Physick, to compansate.

[JohnSeal]

Well it’s clear that Fey blessing is a great skillGDC ability almost as powerful as Indo.
Delayed effect because long animation make it possible to plan and to use it as a filler while dpsing.
Meaning: you can use two instant healing spell at high potency on the same aoe dmg by clipping twice (0:07 x 2 = 1.4 sec) instead than double weaving with R2. Well you can use it in tandem with other ogcd abilities.

The best way to use it when your fairy gauge is at 100 before to use aether pack or you have the last 10 fairy point of your aetherpack and you transmuted into an aoe heal.
Till now what have you been doing when you find yourself without Indo and need an instant heal? Use succor and clipping it with ET now you have Fey Blessing!

Btw Fey Blessing it’s so versatile and smooth to use, you know when you cast it and when it will heal.
Great help if the group is behind and you struggle to heal, a fey blessing will “bless “ you better than a succor

Dissipation is bad for concept first thing: All three healers got their own buff like Ast’s Neutral sect or Whm’s Temperance but only Sch’s dissipation has a “Cost”.
With dissipation you can’t use your fairy first of all!
Then second, for 30 sec the aetherflow you use doesn’t increase your fairy gauge. If you consume aetherflow during dissipation basically you loose 30 fairy point = 1200 heal pot total. That’s not convenient.
Also dissipation for 30 sec it’s useless simply because to get the best out of it you should cast 5 GCD heal in that time frame, that’s not likely to happen.

Hope this help !

[Sylve]

I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's quite as bad as made out to be on the pretext that as of right now, Embrace is a bit lacking.
It's easy to supplement the Fairy's lack of healing during the Dissipation window by just dropping a Sacred Soil on the MT as well as the party after the raidwide damage goes out, and maybe Lustrate extra if necessary. Maybe even hold the Sacred Soil and let Whispering Dawn (which you should have used before Dissipating) keep the Tank's health in check.

I'd say it's also worth noting that Dissipations actual biggest problem from before got fixed, in that the Fairy now resummons itself. Before you'd only ever want to Dissipate to gain Energy Drains if there was downtime available for you to resummon the Fairy, since doing so in the middle of uptime is lost DPS. Off the top of recent memory, O11S had two windows right at the start (before and during Level Checker) and UWU has one window during the transition phase of Garuda to Ifrit, and during the transition from Titan to Ultima.
Before, with proper cooldown planning it was perfectly safe to Dissipate your fairy and not feel any healing consequence of it. Since value of Embraces has dropped in 5.0 amplifies this.

Obviously you wouldn't Dissipate if you had a Seraph window coming up or an extended period of time where the only damage going out is tank auto attacks, but if you're ever going to throw out your Recitation then you're doing yourself a lot of favours by squeezing out every last drop from it that you can.

Right, but the issue is that I basically have to put everything on the Fairy, on cooldown, before using Dissipation in order to not lose the functionality of the Fairy itself.
Right now, Embrace is critting pretty regularly for about 4500+, with an average hit of 3000.
So basically, assuming we've made sure that everything the Fairy could do during that 30 seconds is used, we then have 30 seconds of Dissipation buffing Phsyic/Adlo by roughly the same amount as Embrace was doing anyway. Assuming we're dropping those heals on a Tank, Embrace would aim at the Tank in question too. So what we gain is minimal at best.

I just don't understand why it needs to have so many built in restrictions and drawbacks for the minimal benefits it provides on the recast that it has.
Especially when compared to Neutral Sect and Temperence, both of which are significantly more powerful, have zero drawbacks AND have lower cooldowns!


I'd also like to point out that we lose Union during this time, which has an average 8500 tick that crits for 12k that we lose by Dissipating in an emergency rather than using Union and Adloqs to stabilise.
Where NS and Temp reinforce the flavor of their respective jobs in their effects, Dissipation cuts out the one thing that makes Scholar a unique Healer.

[SayuyuYuyu]

I know this wasn't (...)

Gonna break this down. I don't want this to come across as snippy, but there's a lot I need to say.

As stated, prior to ShB, the main use for Dissipation was DPS.

This was because SCH's default 3 Aetherflows per 45 seconds was more than enough to heal the party before. No-one used it for healing because having to resummon the Fairy in the middle of combat was a strict DPS loss, a waste of mana, and was generally a pain in the ass. But also, SCH had access to Largesse back then which mean that they had a more frequent access to 20% stronger Spell healing so using Dissipation for that extra 20% wasn't really valuable.
But now since Aetherflow is on a strict 60 second cooldown, suddenly having more on demand Aetherflow stacks available is a much bigger deal. This is doubled by the fact that Sacred Soil is now an insanely useful healing and mitigation tool that you generally want to use alternating with Indom to heal raidwide damage.

Anyways, as indicated with the faerie gone about 1/3 of your skills are unusable

But consider this, all of the Fairy's abilities bar one are on lengthy cooldowns. Using them before Dissipating means that your Fairy will be back before they're off cooldown again. Efficient SCH healing has and always will be based on an opportunity cost hierarchy. Fairy abilities always get used first because they're mostly free, followed by the SCH's own Aetherflow abilities. If you're concerned that you wont be able to use your Fairy's abilities because you've Dissipated means you're likely not playing effectively.

and the other 1/3 are unaffected by the healing buff...This means only Physick, Adloquium, and Succor benefit from the buff.

But the two spells worth using Recitation with is affected by it is an incredibly high value spell. Squeezing the most out of your Recitation boosted Adlo. SCH doesn't EVER want to have to use GCD healing, but for the few times that you do then you absolutely want to get the most value out of it possible. I will admit that there is very little reason to ever actually use shields on SCH outside of Savage and Ultimate, since especially now SCH has access to the most powerful oGCD healing out of all the healers, but I digress...
And before anyone complains, Indom is not as useful as Adlo for Recitation. An Adlo boosted by Dissipation will have a 450 potency shield vs Indom's 400 potency. It's not a big difference, but it is a difference. Additionally mana is now a tighter resource than aetherflow.

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[SayuyuYuyu]

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The Fey Gauge also doesnt charge if the faerie isn't out.

This is a fallacy. You may not be gaining Fairy Gauge, but you're not losing it either. If two Scholars both used Aetherflow on cooldown, but one used Dissipation during a fight more than once, at the end of the fight they will have still had access to the exact same amount of Fairy Gauge resources.

Additionally, and especially at level 80, the faerie is meant to play a greater role in your healing output

This isn't an accurate statement either. Yes, the Fairy is in charge of a lot of the SCH's healing output, but all but one of the Fairy's abilities are on lengthy cooldowns that aren't going to be effected by a Dissipation window. This one ability is Embrace, which is looking weaker than ever. Having Embrace missing for 30 seconds is not that big a deal, particularly because the only time you will Dissipate is when you are about to throw out a lot of shields during massive raidwide damage - AKA the only time you can't be certain that the fairy isn't going to be healing her intended target, which is the main tank. Before, you could tell her to ignore others and keep healing the main tank, but they've removed that. So, as always, Healing the main tank efficiently is done through effective cooldown management, and not Dissipating when the only damage going out is auto attacks on the main tank is a part of effective cooldown management.

Each new healing skill past 70 is a faerie skill.

Yes, skills that are long cooldown that you can use before Dissipating (as mentioned). Also Recitation is a healing skill.

Now, onto it's main horror point, pointed out by a YouTube video I watched. WHM's Temperance and AST's Neutral Sect, both offer a 20% healing increase too; so what skills do they lose... nothing, they just get the healing buff, and in addition a buff specific to them; WHM damage reduction and AST the use of both sects. But SCH loses half its kit, seems fair.

WHM and AST did actually lose something. All healers lost Largesse, and WHM/AST were both given it back with pros and cons.
The pros are that AST gets access to both sects, and WHM gets 10% damage reduction for the party.
The cons are that Largesse was on a 90s cooldown, while its replacements are on a 120s cooldown.
Whataboutisms beside, it doesn't change the fact that this is now SCH's only way to increase the potency of their own shields. I can recall many scenarios during my raiding times where that 20% bonus shielding comes in very handy, where a few Embraces would not.


Again, I don't want to seem like I'm being nit picky or anything like that; but I don't want people to start thinking that Dissipation is useless. Dissipation is a powerful cooldown that can be used very effectively.

[EaMett]

Fey blessing is pretty useless atm imo. Not saying it's a bad skill though. Since Ruin II isn't that good your ogcd "space" is limited and fey blessing will often not make the cut when considering what to double weave. Mostly, because the healing requirements are still very low in the content. It's also outshined by the rest of your kit because we don't have a stack dump.

Otherwise it's pretty good for a topoff and I can see it scaling well with gear. It will enter full bloom if we get a dump back. Right now it's mostly about "can I use indom/soil now even if it overheals instead of blessing" and the answer is almost always "yes" so it goes unused.
I've personally only used it a handful of times. That's less than dissipation which is godaweful atm but still has some use in dungeons with crazy squishy tanks and large pulls.