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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    The problem with Dissipation is (...)
    I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's quite as bad as made out to be on the pretext that as of right now, Embrace is a bit lacking.
    It's easy to supplement the Fairy's lack of healing during the Dissipation window by just dropping a Sacred Soil on the MT as well as the party after the raidwide damage goes out, and maybe Lustrate extra if necessary. Maybe even hold the Sacred Soil and let Whispering Dawn (which you should have used before Dissipating) keep the Tank's health in check.

    I'd say it's also worth noting that Dissipations actual biggest problem from before got fixed, in that the Fairy now resummons itself. Before you'd only ever want to Dissipate to gain Energy Drains if there was downtime available for you to resummon the Fairy, since doing so in the middle of uptime is lost DPS. Off the top of recent memory, O11S had two windows right at the start (before and during Level Checker) and UWU has one window during the transition phase of Garuda to Ifrit, and during the transition from Titan to Ultima.
    Before, with proper cooldown planning it was perfectly safe to Dissipate your fairy and not feel any healing consequence of it. Since value of Embraces has dropped in 5.0 amplifies this.

    Obviously you wouldn't Dissipate if you had a Seraph window coming up or an extended period of time where the only damage going out is tank auto attacks, but if you're ever going to throw out your Recitation then you're doing yourself a lot of favours by squeezing out every last drop from it that you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SayuyuYuyu View Post
    I can see what you mean - but I don't think it's quite as bad as made out to be on the pretext that as of right now, Embrace is a bit lacking.
    It's easy to supplement the Fairy's lack of healing during the Dissipation window by just dropping a Sacred Soil on the MT as well as the party after the raidwide damage goes out, and maybe Lustrate extra if necessary. Maybe even hold the Sacred Soil and let Whispering Dawn (which you should have used before Dissipating) keep the Tank's health in check.

    I'd say it's also worth noting that Dissipations actual biggest problem from before got fixed, in that the Fairy now resummons itself. Before you'd only ever want to Dissipate to gain Energy Drains if there was downtime available for you to resummon the Fairy, since doing so in the middle of uptime is lost DPS. Off the top of recent memory, O11S had two windows right at the start (before and during Level Checker) and UWU has one window during the transition phase of Garuda to Ifrit, and during the transition from Titan to Ultima.
    Before, with proper cooldown planning it was perfectly safe to Dissipate your fairy and not feel any healing consequence of it. Since value of Embraces has dropped in 5.0 amplifies this.

    Obviously you wouldn't Dissipate if you had a Seraph window coming up or an extended period of time where the only damage going out is tank auto attacks, but if you're ever going to throw out your Recitation then you're doing yourself a lot of favours by squeezing out every last drop from it that you can.
    Right, but the issue is that I basically have to put everything on the Fairy, on cooldown, before using Dissipation in order to not lose the functionality of the Fairy itself.
    Right now, Embrace is critting pretty regularly for about 4500+, with an average hit of 3000.
    So basically, assuming we've made sure that everything the Fairy could do during that 30 seconds is used, we then have 30 seconds of Dissipation buffing Phsyic/Adlo by roughly the same amount as Embrace was doing anyway. Assuming we're dropping those heals on a Tank, Embrace would aim at the Tank in question too. So what we gain is minimal at best.

    I just don't understand why it needs to have so many built in restrictions and drawbacks for the minimal benefits it provides on the recast that it has.
    Especially when compared to Neutral Sect and Temperence, both of which are significantly more powerful, have zero drawbacks AND have lower cooldowns!


    I'd also like to point out that we lose Union during this time, which has an average 8500 tick that crits for 12k that we lose by Dissipating in an emergency rather than using Union and Adloqs to stabilise.
    Where NS and Temp reinforce the flavor of their respective jobs in their effects, Dissipation cuts out the one thing that makes Scholar a unique Healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Right, but the issue is that I basically have to put everything on the Fairy, on cooldown, before using Dissipation in order to not lose the functionality of the Fairy itself.
    Right now, Embrace is critting pretty regularly for about 4500+, with an average hit of 3000.
    So basically, assuming we've made sure that everything the Fairy could do during that 30 seconds is used, we then have 30 seconds of Dissipation buffing Phsyic/Adlo by roughly the same amount as Embrace was doing anyway. Assuming we're dropping those heals on a Tank, Embrace would aim at the Tank in question too. So what we gain is minimal at best.

    I just don't understand why it needs to have so many built in restrictions and drawbacks for the minimal benefits it provides on the recast that it has.
    Especially when compared to Neutral Sect and Temperence, both of which are significantly more powerful, have zero drawbacks AND have lower cooldowns!


    I'd also like to point out that we lose Union during this time, which has an average 8500 tick that crits for 12k that we lose by Dissipating in an emergency rather than using Union and Adloqs to stabilise.
    Where NS and Temp reinforce the flavor of their respective jobs in their effects, Dissipation cuts out the one thing that makes Scholar a unique Healer.
    I just elaborated in detail why a lot of what you just said isn't true, but i'll go over it again quickly.

    Putting everything on your fairy on cooldown is typically your first priority, unless you need a specific cooldown for a specific part of the fight that will happen before that cooldown is back. In which case you'd hold your ability and don't Dissipate your fairy when you need it. SCH healing has been and always will be most efficiently done through effective cooldown management, and you can effectively manage Dissipating.

    You Dissipate before raidwide damage and nothing more, because Embrace can't be controlled during periods of raidwide damage, so you can't rely on it to do meaningful healing. Having 20% stronger shields on the other hand is much more meaningful. The only time you actually want Embrace to be doing anything is during periods of downtime when only the tank is taking damage. On average tanks now have 100,000 health, which if Embrace does an average of 3000 healing per cast, it'll take over 33 casts to heal the tank from 1 to full (which would work out at around 1 minute and 40 seconds of just raw Embracing). It's not useless, but it's not too amazing either. But as I also said before, Dissipation is a cooldown that needs to be used appropriately - using it at a time when the main tank would just be eating auto attacks isn't a good idea.

    Regarding Temperance and N-Sect, see: Largesse. But also Dissipation doesn't have drawbacks when used appropriately.

    You also lose Fey Union during Seraph, but that doesn't mean Seraph is (entirely) useless.

    You don't use Dissipate for emergencies, you use it planned.
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