Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

[Intellion]

Actually nice to see people starting to kick tanks who think like that. Like already stated, self entitlement at its finest!

Oh, and DPS have an easy ride? Are you kidding? Tanking now is by far the easiest and most mind-numbing role of them all in a Dungeon. If anything, YOU should be thanking the DPS for burning things down quickly for you, while all you have to do is press one button for aggro and one button for CDs. SMH.

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.


This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.


Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.


Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.


So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:


Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

[Mavrias]

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.


This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.


Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.


Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.


So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:


Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

Newsflash: no role is the "party leader." Anyone who cant respect their team or their team's wishes deserves to be kicked regardless of role.

A tank who wants to do big pulls when the other 3 members want to do small pulls is going to get kicked, and vice versa wanting to do small pulls vs big pulls. If your group wants to pull bosses immediately nd you insist on wasting their time with pull countdowns in a dungeon, theyre going to ignore you at best and kick you at worst as OP learned.

As a tank main, its extremely disrespecrful to act like ypure god's gift to the party and refuse to try and listen to your partymates.

[cjparmen]

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.


This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.


Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.


Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.


So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:


Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

then might i ask you this question, is it alright for the tank ( yes i am talking about myself here) to run a head and pull a new mob if the mob the team is fighting is mostly dead? ( ie like one or two enemies left but at less the maybe 5%hp).

back on topic tho with the new tanking structure sure getting aggro is much like pissing in a full bucket, it really amounts to nothing. that being said it does still urk me to see the DPS rush in when idk if everyone is ready or not. i havent yet in ShB content let a DPS die because he pulled a boss but in like HW and SB i have a few times literaly sat down and waited to be locked out of the boss fight because of it. still i think the issue was lack of comms, i at least warn people if they are pulling to much ot to soon and after like the 3rd time sure let the DPS eat a tank buster and pray they learn, but also keep in mind as a tank it is your job to protect the team, so long as said fight dosent end in a wipe it should all be good, but if the team wipes well then its both your faults.

[Lilyth]

Given the amount of straw man thrown in here, I really wasn't looking forward to reply to this. But here we go anyway.

As someone who mained a BRD for four years before recently switching mains to DRK, and actually using those four years to properly learn DPS gameplay and even clearing a lot of high-end content, all I can say is this.
This kind of thinking is DPS Arrogance in its finest.

It was a nice try to to use the same phrasing as people did prior, but here is why it falls flat: The mindset presented comes from a tank. I've actually played all roles on SB, but mostly tanks. So there is no DPS "arrogance" in here. This is actually about Tank humility. I'm only asking other tanks to behave like any other member instead of believing they are kings. Clearly a lot of people here have a problem with that.

Our job as a DPS is to support the tank and healer by burning down enemies ASAP.
While I agree that DPS pulling bosses is only a minor inconvenience, when DPS start behaving arrogantly and start pulling additional mobs that the tanks/healers don't want to deal with at the moment, then yeah, the tank/healer deserves to let that DPS die.
Why? Because that DPS is being full of himself/herself by thinking that they lead the party, when that job belongs to the tank. In other words, DPS that try to steal the tank's job ARE NOT playing their role properly... and in my opinion, deserves to be kicked more than an angry tank that just wants to do their job in peace.

Wow, calm down there. The DPS role job is to support the party, just like healers and tanks. But they do so by dealing as much damage as possible. I find it amusing how you put it though, like the DPS are subordinates to the one "true roles". Are you serious right now? You gotta be trolling at this point. People love to say that if the Healer or Tank dies, the run is over... but if a DPS die, well, it's just a minor inconvenience. Interestingly, though, this kinda of mentality is exclusive to the DutyFinder dungeons. Why? Because the moment an enrage mechanic is implemented, you start to see these kinda of players vanish out since in order to actually play these kinds of contents, you need to play optimally as a team, which means respecting every role on the same standard, including the DPS. If you let a DPS die because they touched an ADD before you to keep uptime, the whole party is susceptible to wiping to the enrage. A tank with that mentality would be kicked in an instant.

Second part of this, all straw man. It's obvious, if any member of the group starts doing things recklessly, including but not restricted to DPS pulling mobs with the intent of ruining the run, they are in the wrong. No one here is saying DPS are above team cooperation. What people are defending, though, is that neither are tanks and healers. The DPS who pulled because they wanted to keep their buffs up is one hundred times more worth keeping than the tank that got angry solely because their ego got hurt and couldn't bother to push a button to re-stabilish aggro 'cause "uh muh feelings". This is not an opinion by the way, this is a fact.

So for any DPS with that kind of arrogance, heed my words as a fellow DPS:
Do your dang job and learn your place. In the end, tanks and healers have insta-queues; you do NOT.

Once the DRK and GNB hype dies down lets see how long you will still have that mentality.

And here we are again, the central point of the whole argument where everything comes down to: I have insta queue, you do not. When there's no more feasible way you could possible hide the fact this is indeed about hurt ego, the inevitable proof comes to surface. People believe they are superior just because of a slight, circunstancial advantage over one of their party members.

And suitably, for every content where queuing time is not a factor, also read as content that requires some level of skill and cooperation, this problem does not exist.

[Minnel]

Actually nice to see people starting to kick tanks who think like that. Like already stated, self entitlement at its finest!

Oh, and DPS have an easy ride? Are you kidding? Tanking now is by far the easiest and most mind-numbing role of them all in a Dungeon. If anything, YOU should be thanking the DPS for burning things down quickly for you, while all you have to do is press one button for aggro and one button for CDs. SMH.

Tbh any role, perhaps except healer, is mind numbing during mob pulls. Its just aoe spam city untill everything is dead. I mean yeah dps do press some other buttons but really, its just aoe spam... just like how tank is aoe spamming and pressing few additional buttons now and then. While I do understand that you might have been offended by the other tank saying that DPS gets an easy ride but I don't think that warrants insulting all of the tanks and calling our role 'brain-dead' during mob pulls.

[Awha]

So i've made it to the lvl 80 dungeon grind as a tank. During one of the dungeons this dragoon would pull every boss as soon as we set foot in the arena. I like to do a countdown ranging from 5-10, usually 5 if the party is experienced and not new to it, but this DRG did not care.

I let the first boss slide, but the second time I did not, so i just let him tank the boss until he died and then established aggro. The whole party instantly hated me, and wanted me out of the dungeon asap, so i got kicked...

With the new aggro changes for tanks, is pulling as tank or doing a countdown/ready check even needed anymore in dungeons?

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With how easy it is to get aggro / survive as a tank seems like a non factor. Though as Jandor mentioned they properly did not want to drop BoTD. Life goes on man, you are right though many do not even care who pulls what when it comes to dungeons has been that way for ages.

[Leonus]

To be honest, is it really a problem unless the group dies? It really is self entitlement and a sense of superiority from tanks who did what you did. To be honest, I would have vote kicked you too. The only issue would have been if someone wasn't ready, but what gives or places the tank as the authority to decide if the group is ready or not? An experienced DS can also easily determine that, it's not some special tank insight.

[Awha]

Thats Tank entitlement of the finest.

Of Course its usually better to let the Tank pull to keep the pace.

But "You spank it, you tank it" was never a good approach. Tanking is the tanks job.

Imagine that with another role:
Healer suddenly doesn´t heal you anymore because you stood in an avoidable aoe?
"You let it hit, your Sh**"

Meele stops doing dps because the mob was turned and he didn´t get his positional?
"You turn it, you kill it"

Its always the Tanks that complain if they don´t get there "special Snowflake" treatment.

While off topic I did run into a healer like this and it was honestly a blast the rage fest was insane but honestly it was an enjoyable run.

[Marc-Vigar]

Some people here seem to not understand what each role is suposed to do so I'll explain:

- TANK: COMUNICATION, lead the group (choosing the path, pulling, guidelines, countdowns and limit breaks.) All this while keeping aggro on all mobs, be considerate for positionals and AoE, and use cooldowns and crowd control to survive.

- HEALER: Again, COMUNICATION, if your tank is going a bit slow and you're just chilling, invite him to pull more. Keep everyone's HP as high as possible and without status ailments, manage your mana accordingly and use cooldowns coordinated with the tank for bigger pulls and faster dungeons runs. If you don't have anything to heal or damage taken is low, help with DPS.

- DPS: Do all the damage you can, use cooldowns properly and avoid putting extra stress on the other roles (this includes pulling yourself instead of the tank, standing in AoEs and not using your own defensive cooldowns)

[Awha]

I really think some people are overthinking this entire situation. Basic case of making a mountain out of a mole hill. I do not even think the OP even cares anymore.